or not?
do you know how can you get the "old" type coords? just tested mom (with MyHeritage) and wanted the good ol' Eurogenes-style coords for her, to be able to play around with Vahaduo custom calculators
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or not?
do you know how can you get the "old" type coords? just tested mom (with MyHeritage) and wanted the good ol' Eurogenes-style coords for her, to be able to play around with Vahaduo custom calculators
They are using their own kind of coordinates nowadays which are not compatible with the real ones.
Better invest in the real G25 coordinates from the creator himself
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2025/...ble-again.html
thanks. I've uploaded already to Illustrative but will probably get the "real" ones as well. Illustrative does have a couple of nice tools to use, so that's ok, also to have all the kits in one place (got dad and maternal grandma there as well)Quote:
Originally Posted by lacreme
This new site uses real G25, they are working with Davidski.
https://ancestralgenome.com/
you can use any set of coords with vahaduo. vahaduo isnt something thats only specifically created for G25. Any set of numbers can be compared with each other (provided they have an equal number of coordinates) in vahaduo. it's just a linear algebra optimization tool.
Is it different than G25 calculators? Are Hunter Gatherer results identical to IllustrativeDNA before the update?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke35
One of TurkDNA's latest grifting and scam "update" was creating simulated coordinates for free instead of getting legitimate coordinates from Davidski or whoever. You have been scammed.
Yes, they are different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nurzat
If you want to download the coordinates from Illustrative, you can run them here: https://casperhub.dev/Vahaduo/
Click on the "New Illustrative DNA" button from source and put the downloaded coords in the target.
The results won't change much though.
Distance to: IonBasescul 0.02065334 Moldovan 0.02691540 Romanian 0.02731494 Montenegrin 0.02743345 Bosniak 0.02745494 Serb*(Croatia) 0.02782429 Serb 0.02900530 Croat 0.03025470 Serb*(Montenegro) 0.03133695 Hungarian 0.03243442 Serb*(Bosnia) 0.03402167 North*(Macedonian) 0.03433493 Pomak*(Bulgaria) 0.03478198 Slovenian 0.03500688 Ukrainian*(Zakarpattia) 0.03677017 Bulgarian 0.04094124 Slovakian 0.04197978 Austrian 0.04216156 Gagauz 0.04258722 Greek*(Macedonia) 0.04379032 Ukrainian*(Lviv) 0.04469083 Turkish*(Northern*Bulgaria) 0.04475396 Czech 0.04487682 German 0.04498042 French*(Grand*Est) 0.04522336 Greek*(Eastern*Macedonia*and*Thrace)
Any idea what the story behind this Hungarian average is? It is slightly different than both the Davidski and Moriopoulos Hungarian average.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
Cool site by the way, thanks for the link.
I am not sure where he takes the samples from, but the average is probably made up of the samples from the Illustrative PCA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke35
https://i.ibb.co/S4BPmB1s/image.png
I'd guess from the official datasheet directly from their website:Quote:
Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee
https://api.illustrativedna.com/data...preadsheet.txt
It's interesting because (I'm referring to the G25 averages on the Casperhub Vahaduo site, not the IllustrativeDNA averages) the Hungarian G25 average that Casperhub has listed is not one that I've ever seen before. I suppose Casperhub could have identified the individual samples that IllustrativeDNA uses (for Hungarian), taken those G25 coordinates, and created their own G25 average for Hungarian. I believe that was what AnthrogenicaRef was suggesting. I'm guessing that other G25 population averages on Casperhub probably also vary from the official ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orion Arm
Sorry Opie, I did not get a quote notification and I just saw this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie
I can't remember what the Hunter Gatherer results were on Illustrative before, so I'm not sure.
And no, I think the results (compared to other G25 calculators) are more or less the same. It just puts the whole thing together in a nice package/presentation. The samples all seem to come from Davidski and Moriopoulos (but they utilize only his non-simulated coordinates).