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Comte Arnau
I do. That is why what you say is so clearly a conjecture. No government or institution is going to take an official position before the event itself has taken place.
Sure you do.
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Viviane Reding, vice president of the European Commission, in February said that although "the Catalans are fervent Europeans," taking into account the rules of the EU, Catalonia "will be outside the European Union within seconds of the vote in favor of independence". Reding expressed respect for the Catalan desire for independence, but insisted that the process of returning to the Union "would not be quick", adding that she would regret "a Europe without Catalonia".
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/eu-...n-issue-301921
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When so many economists have different stances on this, often contradictory, and the wisest end up saying that everything is possible, well, your "basic understanding" of economics is basically irrelevant to me.
Can you name some of the relevant economists? Or is this a vague "economists say this and that" that doesn't really appeal to me. I like to look at credentials and reputation for successful predictions. I can find you an economist who says just about anything. And then there is the question of whether you understand what they're arguing.
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Catalans have been a nation for centuries. What we nowadays have not, yet, is a sovereign country in which to simply live fully as what we are, Catalans.
No, they haven't. There has never been a nation state called Catalunya. There has been a Kingdom of Aragon, however, of which Catalunya was a region. But that is irrelevant to me with regards to independence. I have no issue with a group voting on independence regardless if they were once a nation.
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Why not? Why should we be different from the rest? Every nation has its own myths and its own vision of History.
Because someone living in the 21st century should value honesty over false propaganda. A lie is never noble.
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Sure, one day I might even dare reach your 'basic understanding' of it.
I doubt it but I'm sure you'll lie about it. It wouldn't be the first time I caught you lying.
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I'm only saying that if there are no agreements, there is no shared debt. So it'd actually be better for both parts to eventually reach one.
I can't discuss something you don't understand.