Italiani qui le nostre componenti di my true ancestry: Chi é il più Antico Romano tra di noi?

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03-16-2021, 10:43 PM
GiCa

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

Me.

Spoiler!

https://i.imgur.com/OriHpn9.png

And sorry Gica, this thread was initially for Italians.

Its interesting that anyway you get Etruscan, i conti get It on my top list and maybe no Italian will ever get it, wich makes me think etruscans were different than modern italians
03-16-2021, 10:47 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luso

Gixajo you look like an ancient Roman statue... so you are allowed.

g]

Anyone could look like that type of statue, the Roman Empire was an European and Mediterranean multi-ethnic empire.;)
03-16-2021, 10:52 PM
gixajo

Quote:

Originally Posted by GiCa

Ok, you obvoiusly would not get the Vexillum but you can participate

To get the Vexillum you have to be more near to the Pure Roman admix than me

Here is my result im distant to the Pure Roman (not the vario Roman plus another populations but just the Roman) this:
5.137 distance

What do you call "Pure Roman"?

Do you know with wich individual sample exactly is related that "Pure Roman" ? (To search it in G25.)

I cannot check MTA just now, I have a free account and I can open it just during their sales, updates etc...
03-16-2021, 11:26 PM
gixajo

I selected some ancient individual samples to make an improvised model trying to emulate MTA results with G25 scaled:

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Code:

Romans:RMPR36,0.114961,0.15436,0.003017,-0.022287,0.022773,-0.008925,0.00658,-0.003692,0.001023,0.018224,0.008931,0.001649,-0.008474,-0.009909,-0.001357,0.002784,0.002347,-0.000633,0.002263,-0.003126,0.003119,0.001484,-0.001356,0.005061,-0.000958 Etruscans:RMPR474b,0.126344,0.149283,0.034318,-0.007752,0.036622,-0.005299,0.003995,-0.004615,0.014726,0.028793,-0.002111,0.015286,-0.01115,-0.002064,-0.00285,0.003182,0.006258,0.007221,0.012318,-0.002626,-0.003369,0.008037,0.000863,-0.000482,-0.001796 Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136,0.108132,0.149283,-0.013199,-0.040698,0.011079,-0.011435,-0.001645,-0.006,-0.000818,0.018224,0.00747,0.001199,-0.003568,0.004679,-0.008007,-0.001856,0.00339,0,0.005782,-0.005753,0.000125,0.006059,0,0.000964,0.003952 Illyrians:I4331,0.12862,0.151314,0.028284,-0.007429,0.038776,-0.006972,-0.00705,-0.006,0.003681,0.028064,0.006171,0.010341,-0.017542,-0.003578,-0.0076,0.006497,0.008084,-0.003041,0.006159,-0.011631,-0.005865,-0.001113,-0.00037,0.003856,-0.001197 Gallo-Roman:RMPR108,0.12862,0.140143,0.042615,0.006783,0.043085,0.00502,0.001175,-0.008769,0.003477,0.01385,0.000325,0.002398,-0.001189,-0.008533,0.00475,0.005171,-0.000391,0.000633,0.002765,0,0.001373,0.001237,-0.004437,0.002892,0.00012 Celtiberians:I3758,0.125205,0.146236,0.06675,0.013889,0.053241,0.003347,-0.004465,0.002308,0.030474,0.034989,0.001624,0.008393,-0.017691,-0.00812,0.013843,-0.007292,-0.02047,0.00114,-0.00352,-0.002751,0.003494,0.000618,-0.008134,-0.016508,-0.002994
04-14-2023, 09:16 AM
Kenshiro

Quote:

Originally Posted by GiCa

Italiani qui le nostre componenti di my true ancestry: Chi é il più Antico Romano tra di noi?

This Is mine, from Apulia
Hellenic Roman + Roman (8.33)
Hellenic Roman + Samnite (9.107)
Roman + Macedonian (9.917)
Hellenic Roman + Macedonian (9.994)
Roman (10.38)
Corinthian + Roman (10.84)
Macedonian (12.55)
Corinthian (13.2)
Samnite (13.68)
Hellenic Roman (14.97)
Non so perchè l'ho scritto in inglese, forse l'abitudine ahaha, comunque abbastanza distante dal Romano vero e proprio
04-14-2023, 09:30 AM
Kenshiro

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixajo

I selected some ancient individual samples to make an improvised model trying to emulate MTA results with G25 scaled:

Spoiler!

Code:

Romans:RMPR36,0.114961,0.15436,0.003017,-0.022287,0.022773,-0.008925,0.00658,-0.003692,0.001023,0.018224,0.008931,0.001649,-0.008474,-0.009909,-0.001357,0.002784,0.002347,-0.000633,0.002263,-0.003126,0.003119,0.001484,-0.001356,0.005061,-0.000958 Etruscans:RMPR474b,0.126344,0.149283,0.034318,-0.007752,0.036622,-0.005299,0.003995,-0.004615,0.014726,0.028793,-0.002111,0.015286,-0.01115,-0.002064,-0.00285,0.003182,0.006258,0.007221,0.012318,-0.002626,-0.003369,0.008037,0.000863,-0.000482,-0.001796 Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136,0.108132,0.149283,-0.013199,-0.040698,0.011079,-0.011435,-0.001645,-0.006,-0.000818,0.018224,0.00747,0.001199,-0.003568,0.004679,-0.008007,-0.001856,0.00339,0,0.005782,-0.005753,0.000125,0.006059,0,0.000964,0.003952 Illyrians:I4331,0.12862,0.151314,0.028284,-0.007429,0.038776,-0.006972,-0.00705,-0.006,0.003681,0.028064,0.006171,0.010341,-0.017542,-0.003578,-0.0076,0.006497,0.008084,-0.003041,0.006159,-0.011631,-0.005865,-0.001113,-0.00037,0.003856,-0.001197 Gallo-Roman:RMPR108,0.12862,0.140143,0.042615,0.006783,0.043085,0.00502,0.001175,-0.008769,0.003477,0.01385,0.000325,0.002398,-0.001189,-0.008533,0.00475,0.005171,-0.000391,0.000633,0.002765,0,0.001373,0.001237,-0.004437,0.002892,0.00012 Celtiberians:I3758,0.125205,0.146236,0.06675,0.013889,0.053241,0.003347,-0.004465,0.002308,0.030474,0.034989,0.001624,0.008393,-0.017691,-0.00812,0.013843,-0.007292,-0.02047,0.00114,-0.00352,-0.002751,0.003494,0.000618,-0.008134,-0.016508,-0.002994

: KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian)
Distance: 1.8682% / 0.01868181
52.0 Hellenic_Romans
25.4 Romans
11.2 Gallo-Roman
9.8 Celtiberians
1.6 Illyrians

Target: kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled
Distance: 2.4811% / 0.02481090
40.4 Etruscans
40.4 Romans
12.8 Celtiberians
6.4 Hellenic_Romans

Target: Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled
Distance: 2.6866% / 0.02686610
58.6 Hellenic_Romans
28.0 Illyrians
7.2 Gallo-Roman
6.2 Etruscans

Target: KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.7746% / 0.01774551
64.0 Hellenic_Romans
11.4 Romans
10.0 Gallo-Roman
7.8 Illyrians
6.8 Etruscans
And the distance
Distance to: KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian)
0.02386783 Romans:RMPR36
0.03564952 Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136
0.04762426 Illyrians:I4331
0.05278579 Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.06225997 Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.09620210 Celtiberians:I3758

Distance to: kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled
0.03329817 Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.03714809 Illyrians:I4331
0.03897681 Romans:RMPR36
0.05299513 Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.06174663 Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136
0.07563442 Celtiberians:I3758

Distance to: Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled
0.03467293 Romans:RMPR36
0.03988466 Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136
0.04838254 Illyrians:I4331
0.05323576 Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.06726699 Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.10157058 Celtiberians:I3758

Distance to: KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled
0.02592400 Romans:RMPR36
0.02836659 Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136
0.05178648 Illyrians:I4331
0.05551625 Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.06922492 Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.10415155 Celtiberians:I3758
04-14-2023, 09:46 AM
Kenshiro

Two way Allelocator for sample
K36 simulated
0.018 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 76% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 24% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.019 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 71% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 29% Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.019 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 70% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 30% Illyrians:I4331
0.020 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 83% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 17% Celtiberians:I3758
0.020 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 55% Romans:RMPR36 + 45% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136
0.026 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 97% Romans:RMPR36 + 3% Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.026 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 98% Romans:RMPR36 + 2% Illyrians:I4331
0.026 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 100% Romans:RMPR36 + 0% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.026 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 100% Romans:RMPR36 + 0% Celtiberians:I3758
0.051 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 75% Illyrians:I4331 + 25% Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.052 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 100% Illyrians:I4331 + 0% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.052 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 100% Illyrians:I4331 + 0% Celtiberians:I3758
0.056 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 100% Etruscans:RMPR474b + 0% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.056 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 100% Etruscans:RMPR474b + 0% Celtiberians:I3758
0.069 KenshiroK36_simulated_g25_scaled = 100% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108 + 0% Celtiberians:I3758
Illustrative dna
0.027 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 58% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 42% Illyrians:I4331
0.028 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 62% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 38% Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.029 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 69% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 31% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.030 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 79% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 21% Celtiberians:I3758
0.032 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 65% Romans:RMPR36 + 35% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136
0.033 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 77% Romans:RMPR36 + 23% Illyrians:I4331
0.033 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 82% Romans:RMPR36 + 18% Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.035 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 95% Romans:RMPR36 + 5% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.035 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 98% Romans:RMPR36 + 2% Celtiberians:I3758
0.048 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 81% Illyrians:I4331 + 19% Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.048 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 100% Illyrians:I4331 + 0% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.048 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 100% Illyrians:I4331 + 0% Celtiberians:I3758
0.053 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 100% Etruscans:RMPR474b + 0% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.053 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 100% Etruscans:RMPR474b + 0% Celtiberians:I3758
0.067 Kenshiroillustrativedna_scaled = 100% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108 + 0% Celtiberians:I3758
Genoplot
0.026 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 58% Etruscans:RMPR474b + 42% Romans:RMPR36
0.028 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 72% Romans:RMPR36 + 28% Celtiberians:I3758
0.028 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 75% Etruscans:RMPR474b + 25% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136
0.030 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 53% Illyrians:I4331 + 47% Romans:RMPR36
0.031 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 56% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 44% Celtiberians:I3758
0.032 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 67% Etruscans:RMPR474b + 33% Illyrians:I4331
0.033 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 75% Illyrians:I4331 + 25% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136
0.033 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 100% Etruscans:RMPR474b + 0% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.033 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 100% Etruscans:RMPR474b + 0% Celtiberians:I3758
0.034 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 67% Romans:RMPR36 + 33% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.036 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 90% Illyrians:I4331 + 10% Celtiberians:I3758
0.036 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 56% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108 + 44% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136
0.037 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 89% Illyrians:I4331 + 11% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.039 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 100% Romans:RMPR36 + 0% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136
0.053 kenshiro-genoplot-HW-sim_scaled = 91% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108 + 9% Celtiberians:I3758
K13 simulated coordinates
0.020 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 67% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 33% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.021 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 76% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 24% Celtiberians:I3758
0.022 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 77% Romans:RMPR36 + 23% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136
0.023 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 60% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 40% Illyrians:I4331
0.023 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 96% Romans:RMPR36 + 4% Celtiberians:I3758
0.023 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 91% Romans:RMPR36 + 9% Illyrians:I4331
0.024 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 95% Romans:RMPR36 + 5% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.024 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 94% Romans:RMPR36 + 6% Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.024 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 64% Hellenic_Romans:RMPR136 + 36% Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.047 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 82% Illyrians:I4331 + 18% Etruscans:RMPR474b
0.048 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 94% Illyrians:I4331 + 6% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.048 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 100% Illyrians:I4331 + 0% Celtiberians:I3758
0.052 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 85% Etruscans:RMPR474b + 15% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108
0.053 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 100% Etruscans:RMPR474b + 0% Celtiberians:I3758
0.062 KenshiroK13coordinates(Italian) = 100% Gallo-Roman:RMPR108 + 0% Celtiberians:I3758
I'm from Gargano, North East Apulia, who is the most accurate?

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