Albion vs Valhalla via Vahaduo

I am super stoked. I dunno, if this has been posted before but Vahaduo can calculate/parse Celtic vs Germanic coordinates not just G25.

The problem with G25 is it is too fine grained while paradoxically at the same time it has a hard time differentiating between Celtic and Germanic populations.

G25 puts my closest population at Dutch but :

1.) My Y-DNA is insular British isles Celtic and very rare in the Netherlands.

2.)The Southern English re generally more Continental shifted

3.) Having only two different regional samples for the English in G25 is absurd

4.) G25 is too fine-grained for modern populations especially but somewhat for ancient pops too

5.) G25 sucks at differentiating between the Celts and Germanics

I m on smart phone now so not really doing anything spectacular, yet, but here is a start :

Code:

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England_Roman:3DT16,-0.0157,0.0035,-0.0059,-0.0014,0.0135,0.005,0.0079,0.0024,-0.0038,0.0027,0.0014,-0.0093,0.0016,-0.0137,-0.0031,0.0067,-0.0039,0.0124,-0.0025,0.0018,0.0075,-0.0065,0.0104,0.001,0.0034
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England_Saxon:I0773,-0.0356,-0.01,0.0033,-0.0045,0.0013,-0.0089,-0.0041,0.0053,0.004,0.0011,0.0016,0.0011,0.0009,-0.0032,0.0033,-0.0017,0.0033,0.0016,-0.0091,0.006,-0.0025,0.0106,-0.0114,0.0063,-0.0024
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Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036,-0.0222,-0.0154,-0.0026,0.0035,0.0028,0.0057,0.0016,-0.009,0.0024,0.0021,-0.0004,0.0012,-0.0019,0.0039,-0.0069,-0.003,0.0039,-0.0066,-0.0027,-0.0001,0.0042,-0.0051,0.0043,-0.0009,-0.0004
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Germany_Medieval:ALH_3,-0.0278,0.0001,-0.0161,-0.0029,-0.0012,-0.0115,-0.0098,-0.0033,-0.0078,-0.0083,0.0013,0.0017,0.0015,-0.005,-0.004,-0.0009,0.0021,-0.0066,-0.0056,-0.0047,0.0005,-0.0096,-0.0015,0.006,-0.003
Germany_Medieval:STR_316,-0.0317,-0.0122,-0.0035,0.0001,-0.0047,-0.0019,-0.0049,-0.0129,-0.0095,-0.0109,0.0064,-0.0042,0.0033,0.0024,0.0043,0.004,-0.0023,0.0061,-0.0015,0.0012,0.0046,-0.0074,-0.012,-0.002,-0.0013
Germany_Medieval:STR_486,-0.0188,-0.0007,-0.0119,-0.0027,-0.0041,0.0038,0.0008,0.0116,0.0057,0.0031,0.0024,-0.0051,-0.0103,0.0026,0.0013,0.0024,0.0056,0.0003,0.0055,-0.0043,0.0083,0.0019,-0.0045,0.0047,-0.0031

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Target: Kevin
Distance: 1.5881% / 0.01588115
62.8 England_Saxon
22.4 England_Roman
14.8 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna

Code:

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England_IA:I0156,-0.0188,0.0033,0.015,-0.0089,-0.0095,-0.0042,0.0007,-0.0024,-0.0051,0.0012,0.0008,-0.0016,-0.002,-0.0018,-0.0002,-0.0007,0.006,0.0056,-0.0009,-0.0026,-0.0059,0.0019,0.0046,0.0001,0.0039
England_IA:I0160,-0.0134,0.0052,-0.0045,-0.0092,0.0054,-0.0015,-0.0006,0.0017,-0.0014,-0.0003,0.004,-0.005,0.0041,0.0009,-0.0031,0.0042,-0.0107,0.0022,-0.0041,0.004,-0.0034,0.0055,-0.0021,-0.0048,-0.0003
England_IA:I0789,-0.0144,0.0031,0.0068,0.0005,-0.0032,-0.0076,0.0005,-0.0005,-0.004,0.0063,0.0059,-0.0077,-0.0004,-0.0018,0.0069,0.0053,-0.0026,-0.001,-0.0021,0.0027,0.0031,-0.0004,0.0047,0.0016,0.0046
England_IA:M1489,-0.0058,0.0124,0.0116,-0.0108,-0.0026,-0.0037,-0.009,0.0054,0.0055,0.0004,-0.0084,0.0024,0.0015,0.0016,0.0047,-0.0011,0.0041,0.0058,0.0017,-0.0009,-0.0019,0.0059,0.003,-0.0033,-0.0017
England_Saxon:I0157,-0.035,-0.0046,0.004,-0.0158,-0.0071,-0.0034,0.0005,0.0034,-0.0068,-0.0079,-0.0008,0.001,-0.0073,-0.0005,0.004,0.0013,-0.0014,0.0074,-0.0044,-0.0024,-0.0006,-0.004,-0.0021,-0.0026,-0.0074
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England_Saxon:I0777,-0.0216,-0.0036,0.0097,-0.0014,-0.0029,-0.0008,-0.0065,0.0013,0.0023,0.0035,-0.0069,0.0033,0.0042,0.0051,0.0023,0.0081,0.0059,0.0058,0.0101,-0.006,-0.0004,-0.0081,-0.0026,-0.0039,0.0002
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Target: Kevin
Distance: 1.4956% / 0.01495625
63.6 England_Saxon
36.4 England_IA

^Now if I did not have confidence that I am a WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) I would be fumbling around with G25 like so :

Target: KevinG_scaled
Distance: 1.9624% / 0.01962356
42.8 England_IA
32.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
25.2 SVK_Poprad_MA


^Do not be afraid to make hyper-specific ancient homeland calculators if you know your background and are not a new world mutt grasping at straws ! Just make sure you get a proper mathematical distance.

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.21165382 England_IA:M1489
0.21793478 England_Roman:6DT3
0.21944219 England_Roman:6DT23
0.22138841 England_IA:I0789
0.22335419 England_Roman:6DT21
0.22363473 England_Roman:3DT16
0.22412342 England_IA:I0160
0.22557820 England_Saxon:I0774
0.22557820 England_Saxon:I0774
0.22629495 England_IA:I0156
0.22986436 Germany_Medieval:ALH_1
0.23001726 England_Roman:6DT22
0.23103628 England_Saxon:I0777
0.23103628 England_Saxon:I0777
0.23111980 England_Saxon:I0161
0.23111980 England_Saxon:I0161
0.23186923 Germany_Medieval:STR_486
0.23196023 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035
0.23362197 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84001
0.23851599 England_Roman:6DT18
0.23945334 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036
0.24066660 England_Saxon:I0159
0.24066660 England_Saxon:I0159
0.24069878 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg021
0.24179307 Germany_Medieval:ALH_3

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 21.1654% / 0.21165382
100.0 England_IA:M1489

Quote:

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Originally Posted by celticdragongod

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.21165382 England_IA:M1489
0.21793478 England_Roman:6DT3
0.21944219 England_Roman:6DT23
0.22138841 England_IA:I0789
0.22335419 England_Roman:6DT21
0.22363473 England_Roman:3DT16
0.22412342 England_IA:I0160
0.22557820 England_Saxon:I0774
0.22557820 England_Saxon:I0774
0.22629495 England_IA:I0156
0.22986436 Germany_Medieval:ALH_1
0.23001726 England_Roman:6DT22
0.23103628 England_Saxon:I0777
0.23103628 England_Saxon:I0777
0.23111980 England_Saxon:I0161
0.23111980 England_Saxon:I0161
0.23186923 Germany_Medieval:STR_486
0.23196023 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035
0.23362197 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84001
0.23851599 England_Roman:6DT18
0.23945334 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036
0.24066660 England_Saxon:I0159
0.24066660 England_Saxon:I0159
0.24069878 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg021
0.24179307 Germany_Medieval:ALH_3

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 21.1654% / 0.21165382
100.0 England_IA:M1489

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Thanks, I really thinks Celtic vs Germanic coordinates are superior to G25 for northern Europeans :)

I dunno, why you got such a far distance diy you use G25 coordinates ?

This is my result.


Target: Grace
Distance: 1.1958% / 0.01195834
53.8 England_Roman
19.2 England_Saxon
17.2 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
9.8 Germany_Medieval


Distance to: Grace
0.02039608 England_Roman:6DT22
0.02471943 England_Roman:6DT21
0.02561425 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035
0.02782355 England_Roman:6DT3
0.02800161 England_Roman:6DT23
0.03019768 England_Saxon:I0157
0.03090647 England_Saxon:I0161
0.03236480 Germany_Medieval:STR_486
0.03237731 England_Saxon:I0774
0.03268486 England_Roman:6DT18
0.03365605 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84001
0.03379319 England_Saxon:I0777
0.03385439 England_Saxon:NO3423
0.03474306 England_Saxon:I0159
0.03487564 Germany_Medieval:ALH_3
0.03492893 England_Saxon:I0769
0.03510342 Germany_Medieval:ALH_1
0.03804484 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036
0.03879201 England_Saxon:I0773
0.03981633 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg021
0.04093715 England_Roman:3DT16
0.04140278 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg026
0.04262652 Germany_Medieval:STR_316
0.04546834 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_gtm021
0.04563190 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_nuf002

Target: Grace
Distance: 1.7290% / 0.01728991
56.0 England_Saxon
44.0 England_IA

Distance to: Grace
0.02654694 England_IA:I0156
0.02838767 England_IA:I0789
0.03011063 England_IA:M1489
0.03012989 England_IA:I0160
0.03019768 England_Saxon:I0157
0.03090647 England_Saxon:I0161
0.03237731 England_Saxon:I0774
0.03379319 England_Saxon:I0777
0.03385439 England_Saxon:NO3423
0.03474306 England_Saxon:I0159
0.03492893 England_Saxon:I0769
0.03879201 England_Saxon:I0773

Quote:

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Originally Posted by celticdragongod

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.21165382 England_IA:M1489
0.21793478 England_Roman:6DT3
0.21944219 England_Roman:6DT23
0.22138841 England_IA:I0789
0.22335419 England_Roman:6DT21
0.22363473 England_Roman:3DT16
0.22412342 England_IA:I0160
0.22557820 England_Saxon:I0774
0.22557820 England_Saxon:I0774
0.22629495 England_IA:I0156
0.22986436 Germany_Medieval:ALH_1
0.23001726 England_Roman:6DT22
0.23103628 England_Saxon:I0777
0.23103628 England_Saxon:I0777
0.23111980 England_Saxon:I0161
0.23111980 England_Saxon:I0161
0.23186923 Germany_Medieval:STR_486
0.23196023 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035
0.23362197 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84001
0.23851599 England_Roman:6DT18
0.23945334 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036
0.24066660 England_Saxon:I0159
0.24066660 England_Saxon:I0159
0.24069878 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg021
0.24179307 Germany_Medieval:ALH_3

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 21.1654% / 0.21165382
100.0 England_IA:M1489

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Have you used G25 instead of CvG? Distances are too large.

This is Davidski's quote (Generalissimo) about the CvG.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Generalissimo

The Celtic vs Germanic PCA is more heavily influenced by genetic drift specific to Ireland and the British Isles, so it stretches out the difference between the Irish and Germanics, and, as a result, doesn't need regional population samples as much as the Global25 to classify most Irish as Irish.

The fact that you're closer to Icelanders than to Irish in the Global25 just means that the Irish reference set doesn't describe your ancestry as well as it could in the context of global genetic diversity, but it's likely that if I added regional Irish groups to the Global25 then you'd match one or more of these reference sets better than the Icelanders.

The Celtic vs Germanic PCA isn't better than the Global25. It's actually much less informative overall, but very good at one very specific thing.

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Quote:

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Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

Have you used G25 instead of CvG? Distances are too large.

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I think I might have. I will check again.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by JamesBond007

Thanks, I really thinks Celtic vs Germanic coordinates are superior to G25 for northern Europeans :)

I dunno, why you got such a far distance diy you use G25 coordinates ?

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I might have. I will check again.

Error

Distance to: CDG
0.02276159 England_Saxon:I0774
0.03012092 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035
0.03114402 England_Roman:3DT16
0.03318328 England_Roman:6DT23
0.03503969 England_Roman:6DT22
0.03613433 England_Roman:6DT3
0.03650767 Germany_Medieval:ALH_1
0.03669305 England_Saxon:I0777
0.03796907 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036
0.03882370 Germany_Medieval:STR_486
0.03890219 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg021
0.03946961 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84001
0.04001475 England_Roman:6DT18
0.04008104 England_Roman:6DT21
0.04032592 England_Saxon:NO3423
0.04106471 England_Saxon:I0161
0.04181256 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg026
0.04198428 England_Saxon:I0159
0.04220059 Germany_Medieval:ALH_3
0.04248176 England_Saxon:I0157
0.04447100 England_Saxon:I0769
0.04709374 England_Saxon:I0773
0.04847752 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_gtm021
0.04855842 Germany_Medieval:STR_316
0.05294667 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_nuf002

Target: CDG
Distance: 1.7688% / 0.01768834
46.8 England_Saxon
34.2 England_Roman
19.0 Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna

Distance to: CDG
0.02276159 England_Saxon:I0774
0.02437273 England_IA:I0160
0.03000867 England_IA:I0789
0.03420029 England_IA:I0156
0.03621947 England_IA:M1489
0.03669305 England_Saxon:I0777
0.04032592 England_Saxon:NO3423
0.04106471 England_Saxon:I0161
0.04198428 England_Saxon:I0159
0.04248176 England_Saxon:I0157
0.04447100 England_Saxon:I0769
0.04709374 England_Saxon:I0773

Target: CDG
Distance: 1.9299% / 0.01929907
50.6 England_Saxon
49.4 England_IA