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    https://thumbs2.imagebam.com/9f/8a/62/3c889f134083...

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    "Greek" like "Roman" is polysemous and doesn't...

    "Greek" like "Roman" is polysemous and doesn't refer necessarely to a state. Anyway, now you know what I meant ;)
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    "People" in english can mean "The people" or...

    "People" in english can mean "The people" or "Some people". I precised it on a later post. I personnaly know Turkish from Istanbul or the sea side who feel more european than asiatic, more greek than...
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    I sense we'll soon have fakes from this girl...

    I sense we'll soon have fakes from this girl Merve Boluğur on the thread... :p The origin is not so important. Donald Trump may be a descendant of Philippe Le Bel, Napoleon was maybe albanian, and...
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    Kosovo, Albania... doable

    Kosovo, Albania... doable
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    Hum hum it's the Parade of Turkish Pride here ;)...

    Hum hum it's the Parade of Turkish Pride here ;)

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    More attractive than Rome, the Franks, etc. apparently... :rolleyes:

    In answer to...
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    I'm not surprised. Problem with indefinite /...

    I'm not surprised. Problem with indefinite / definite article in english ;) I meant SOME people of Istanbul... But I was talking of a feeling related to culture more than related to appearance....
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    Oh oh ;) She's actually not far from the ancient...

    Oh oh ;) She's actually not far from the ancient Roman type, but that's not the point. People from Istanbul for isntance can feel more Roman, Greek or European than Turkish. But lumping together the...
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    We're in the history section. But let's reduce...

    We're in the history section. But let's reduce the Roman Empire as a genetic pourcentage based on a representative sample of 50 guys, right ? I guess that Jews, Iranians and Arabs are romans too. The...
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    First Chris, I don't argue for France like you...

    First Chris, I don't argue for France like you seem to say, and like you seem to argue for Spain. I never wrote that the Habsburgs discovered America. I think a Viking did it and then an italian guy....
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    Why not the Mongols ? ;) Talking about them, it...

    Why not the Mongols ? ;) Talking about them, it was the only use of Russia for Europe : braking the Mongols. For the Ottoman Empire, it's pure nonsense or provocation. But thanks for café ! ;)
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    From that point of view, not even the people of...

    From that point of view, not even the people of the Eastern Roman Empire are romans, maybe not even the people from the north of Italy. I guess the term "Roman" is polysemous and can be understood...
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    Yeah... Same for restoring monarchy in France....

    Yeah... Same for restoring monarchy in France. Lost chance. Now who would like those creeps ?
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    Ah ah :laugh: the ones that Franco put back in...

    Ah ah :laugh: the ones that Franco put back in place... the French may cut their heads again...

    Concerning the success of the HRE : I partially agree. They saved Vienna and there were always a...
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    No offense spaniophiles : I don't deny Spain...

    No offense spaniophiles : I don't deny Spain spreaded catholicism (and malaria) all over the world making it the first religion. I may have a small pagan prejudice : for me, the Roman Empire is first...
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    I agree and it was my first point : I criticize...

    I agree and it was my first point : I criticize the strategy of the Eastern Empire but I don't deny its legitimity. And I would be less picky about England that was romanized and then "gallicized"...
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    Ah ah the language that is the closest to latin...

    Ah ah the language that is the closest to latin is Romanche (spoken in Switzerland). Roman-che... get it? ;) Your point makes sense. Except that something like 400 years under the Ottoman domination...
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    Yeah true, but mostly related to the Habsburg and...

    Yeah true, but mostly related to the Habsburg and the Holy Roman Empire ;) Then, with the Louis 14 grand-son, you better having became french ;)
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    I'm perplexed with United Kingdom and USA as...

    I'm perplexed with United Kingdom and USA as Rome. If it's just about power, you can eliminate the Eastern Empire no ? ;) It's also about culture of course. I see the constant willing from the...
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    I just digressed using your view on the east side...

    I just digressed using your view on the east side ah ah ! Interesting point about territoral divisions, thanks gixa :D
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    I just digressed using your view on the east side...

    I just digressed using your view on the east side ah ah ! Interesting point about territoral divisions, thanks gixa :D
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    France, "eldest daughter of the Church" and... of...

    France, "eldest daughter of the Church" and... of the Empire ?

    "I am Roman because Rome, since the consul Marius and the divine Julius until Theodosius, have knocked up the first configuration of...
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    Yeah, it makes sense, somehow the real boss was...

    Yeah, it makes sense, somehow the real boss was the pope most of the times. From this religious point of view, we can also say that, as other orthodox countries were occupied by the Ottomans, the...
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    My vision is a combination. I think the Western...

    My vision is a combination. I think the Western Empire was perpetuated lby different states and countries : Charlemagne - Holy Roman Empire - First French Empire. Even more strange : I think the...
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    "As soon as he was in sole command, in 771,...

    "As soon as he was in sole command, in 771, Charlemagne sat to work on his project. His purpose ? To perpetuate Rome. In Italy, he defeats the king of the Lombards and he will take the crown of iron...
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