The Christian captivity of any notion of "heathenry"

[Lutiferre]

There's no clarity in this thread. Lutiferre, I find your stance incredibly arrogant - to refuse attempting to conduct yourself and re-explain what you're trying to say.

I disagree. That's not what I did. I've tried re-explaining it many times, and that every time someone has mandated it.

Instead, you maintain that the dozen or so who are desperately trying to turn this into a fruitful debate are simply too ignorant to comprehend you. As a matter of fact, we'd like to give you the acceptable answers you seek - help us.

Not necessarily too ignorant, no.

I, like the others, still don't quite get your point. But I suspect you're doing what you've done elsewhere also in defining everything outside of Christianity by the dogmatic limitations of your own Christian faith. I'd ask you: "Am I wrong?" but I know what your answer will be either way.

Well, why do you ask "Am I wrong" when you are the one with suspicions? You can have your suspicions, but the fact is that suspecting me and this thread of the opposite of what it's basic point is, is simply a meaningless polemic which I could easily repeat with everything you say. You could disqualify anything by twisting it and turning it with such suspicion.

[Jamt]

I disagree. That's not what I did. I've tried re-explaining it many times, and that every time someone has mandated it.

Not necessarily too ignorant, no.

Well, why do you ask "Am I wrong" when you are the one with suspicions? You can have your suspicions, but the fact is that suspecting me and this thread of the opposite of what it's basic point is, is simply a meaningless polemic which I could easily repeat with everything you say. You could disqualify anything by twisting it and turning it with such suspicion.

You have the skull size. Strive at all times for clarity.

[Lutiferre]

You have the skull size. Strive at all times for clarity.

I don't have the skull size for clarity, no; there is simply too much inside my skull fighting against itself to avoid absolute chaos.

[Freomæg]

I'm sorry Lutiferre. I can't help. When it was thought that you were referring to 'Heathenism' as a Christian label for Germanic pagans, and that the label itself was innappropriate, I thought we were getting somewhere. But then you said it's not just in the labels and I again I had no idea what your point could possibly be. The practice of Heathenism (under that name or another) would still have existed, and possibly would still exist had Christianity never even been conceived of (or, to speak your language, had Jesus never existed). Thus only a fool would suggest that by rejecting Christianity you are also rejecting Heathenism.

[Loddfafner]

GREATEST TROLL-THREAD EVER

Regards,
The Eunuch.

For once, I agree with the Eunuch. The hypothesis that there was a core argument hidden in that prose has been refuted as the patient efforts of the respondents to find and answer that argument were met with increasingly cryptic comments instead of serious efforts at clarification.

Lutiferre's posts in this thread are much more consistent with a hypothesis of deliberate trolling of the kind where one posts something willfully absurd and then sits back and derives entertainment from people's efforts to make sense out of it.

An alternate hypothesis of ordinary schizophrenia remains in the running though.

[Lutiferre]

For once, I agree with the Eunuch. The hypothesis that there was a core argument hidden in that prose has been refuted as the patient efforts of the respondents to find and answer that argument were met with increasingly cryptic comments instead of serious efforts at clarification.

It certainly hasn't been refuted. You have just stated that it has.

Oh well, quantum physics have been refuted, too. And your mom has been refuted. Why? Because I just said so, of course.

Lutiferre's posts in this thread are much more consistent with a hypothesis of deliberate trolling of the kind where one posts something willfully absurd and then sits back and derives entertainment from people's efforts to make sense out of it.

An alternate hypothesis of ordinary schizophrenia remains in the running though.

Admittedly I probably suffer from a mild degree of schizophrenia, that is, a division of my mindset. But not in the clinical sense which involves various other psychiatric phenomena.

[Lutiferre]

But then you said it's not just in the labels and I again I had no idea what your point could possibly be.

I was referring to, at the core, the distinctly Christian selfawareness which any such labels are preconditioned by; I was referring to the pretension of an actual reality behind the label; an actual historicist and metaphysical division implied, and an actual unitary phenomenon, a repetition of a distinctly Christian mindset and self-awareness in a heathen context.

The practice of Heathenism (under that name or another) would still have existed, and possibly would still exist had Christianity never even been conceived of (or, to speak your language, had Jesus never existed). Thus only a fool would suggest that by rejecting Christianity you are also rejecting Heathenism.

Again, then you miss my point, because I am not making claims about what actual reality would exist, but about certain pretensions of self-styled heathens about it.

[Freomæg]

I'm lost, and as such out of this thread for good. Enjoy!

[Lutiferre]

I'm lost, and as such out of this thread for good. Enjoy!

I think we've had about as much enjoyment we can take. Now is the time for no joy

[Fred]

Both you and SuuT transpose the values of identity in order to put down Christianity. It is the same as "yes means no and no means yes". There is nothing else to that, other than how arbitrary and unsubstantiated as to the actual values between them, in common or apart. I'm pretty sure this is about holding down one to raise another. It is Marxist supremacy and if Christianity is bad because of Judaism, then Marxism is plain bad all around. Marxism is secular Judaism.