Maternal - R2

[fruitbat]

Mine says R1a is a subgroup of R, then says Haplogroup: R, a subgroup of N. Not sure what the difference means. Maybe I have a Y chromosome It claims in the desc: Maternal haplogroups are families of mitochondrial DNA types that all trace back to a single mutation at a specific place and time. By looking at the geographic distribution of mtDNA types, we learn how our ancient female ancestors migrated throughout the world.

[Armatus]

Mine says R1a is a subgroup of R, then says Haplogroup: R, a subgroup of N. Not sure what the difference means. Maybe I have a Y chromosome It claims in the desc: Maternal haplogroups are families of mitochondrial DNA types that all trace back to a single mutation at a specific place and time. By looking at the geographic distribution of mtDNA types, we learn how our ancient female ancestors migrated throughout the world.

With what company did you test ?

R1a is relatively rare and it's pretty uncommon for Greece. There are only a few samples:
Russia (3)
Georgia (2)
Iran (1)
Armenia (1)
Sweden (1)
Portugal (1)
India (1)
Denmark (1)
England (1)
Ireland (1)

Seems to be a caucasian haplogroup.

[fruitbat]

@Armatus - yes, it appears very uncommon in Greece. So far, we have two R1a (my daughter and I) and two R2 (my 1st cousin and her mother). My results on 23andme showed up as 44.4% Italian and only 6.8% Balkan and 10% Middle Eastern. The rest was unassigned/undeclared - a huge chunk is missing. My cousin and aunt showed up Italian as well. We have recorded our residence in Crete and Xios for several generations back and have all Greek surnames. Our guess is we were probably from Genoa, since Xios (Chios) was occupied for 304 years by Genoa.

I did run GEDmatch, and used Eurogenes and it showed the highest number on both calc 1 and 2 as over 50% Greek. So I don't know how I ended up with R1a. Still new to this all and it's quite confusing

[MfA_]

FWIW, I have a Greek cousin from Xios with mtDNA R0a too..

[fruitbat]

I read somewhere J's are mainly Balkan. I am about to get my brother's results to see what my paternal haplogroup is. Maybe is he more Greek? Both sides migrated from Crete to Xios. I am suspecting (highly now) that most people from Xios are Italians. Small island, lots of marrying of 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousins. So the R must be all over Xios and other islands in Greece.

[MfA_]

I read somewhere J's are mainly Balkan. I am about to get my brother's results to see what my paternal haplogroup is. Maybe is he more Greek? Both sides migrated from Crete to Xios. I am suspecting (highly now) that most people from Xios are Italians. Small island, lots of marrying of 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousins. So the R must be all over Xios and other islands in Greece.

I think those islands had received some immigrants from Anatolia in 1900s.. My match said her family was actually from Cesme that they had to run back to Xios to survive..

[fruitbat]

Xios is a major port and still a place to escape to. Lots of history, indeed. Our family has history there from the 1600's, but we don't have any record of anything prior so this DNA test revealed some interesting things. I think - if everyone did this test, there would be less provocation for war.

[Armatus]

Xios is a major port and still a place to escape to. Lots of history, indeed. Our family has history there from the 1600's, but we don't have any record of anything prior so this DNA test revealed some interesting things. I think - if everyone did this test, there would be less provocation for war.

I agree with MfA, seems turkic to me. Especially if you consider the nearby turkish mainland. The question is when did they come to the island ? Does your family tree really provide a direct maternal line to 17th Century Chios ? That would be the key factor to give plausible answers about the age of your haplogroup in chios.
Italy seems very unlikely to me, not a single R1a sample. You can be autosomally still 99,99% Italian+Greek but bear a turkic haplogroup.

[fruitbat]

Yes, the Italian result threw me too. My cousin and aunt (R2) both came up Italian as well. 23andme goes up to 500 years ago where we supposedly were prior to intercontinental travel - which doesn't match our records. I can see R1a as the base of where we came from though.

We began in Crete in 1600's (no record of prior) and came to Xios in the 1800's.

Here are the GEDmatch results someone ran for me:

Pct. Calc. Option 1

1 GR 54.20%
2 Druze 17.78%
3 Scottish 11.00%
4 Bedouin 5.60%
5 Tuscan 5.39%
6 GE 3.20%
7 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 1.89%
8 AJ 0.94%
9 IR 0.00%
10 IE 0.00%

Pct. Calc. Option 2

1 GR 48.38%
2 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 13.05%
3 Druze 10.13%
4 Bedouin 7.97%
5 Scottish 6.27%
6 IR 5.77%
7 IE 3.49%
8 Tuscan 2.78%
9 North_Swedish 1.08%
10 Armenian 1.08%

[Armatus]

Crete ? That's interesting. If i remember correctly it was settled from Asia Minor. Could be an old cretan lineage.