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    Quote Originally Posted by Pegasus View Post
    The original population in Italy before the Italic invasion predominantly was a Mediterranean / Armenid / Alpine mix, comparable to the basical element of todays population of Italy. For instance, the Etruscians were predominantly Armenid with Mediterranean influences too.

    The original indogermanic Italics, who invaded the Italian peninsula at the End of the 2nd century BC were from the same stock than the later Ostrogoths. They are relative pure Nordics of the Hallstatt type and indeed racially related to the Hallstatt people. Although the Nordic element constituted only 10 – 20% of the entire Roman population, it contributed nearly everything to Roman culture and civilization. So, the plebeian masses of the Roman people – men and women of very dark and not very progressive race – numerically made up the bulk of the Roman people, but when we today speak about “ancient Romans” we think of Roman inventors, commanders, statesmen, artists and so on, who predominantly derived from the indogermanic ruling class of the patricians.

    Emperor Augustus is a very typical example for the Hallstatt Element in the Roman patriarchy. He reminds me of Swedish actor Max von Sydow (although Max von Sydow is even hyper-dolichocephalic):


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    Roman Emperor Augustus

    In the later Roman Empire, the Romans got a second nordic racial element by former Celtic and Germanic slaves. Especially the Nordic-CM-mixed Germanics made up the best and most reliable Roman legionaries in the late Imperial Period. However, slaves also brought Orientalid, further Armenid, Iranid, Ethiopid and even Negroid elements to the Roman masses during the times of descent.
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    Augustus looks nothing like Max von Sydow, actually they look the exact opposite

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    If I have to guess...
    A bunch of dinaro-meds(of pontid and atlanto-med/gracile-med variaties), CM and Alpines, some Armenoid influences sometimes and mixes inbetween.
    Minor Nordid if there was any.
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    CM,Nordoids for centurions, the plebs were dinaro-meds,alpinoids

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    I probably answered more times to this thread.
    Ancient romans (for what we know from skeletal evidence and portraiture)
    Didn’t match any of the modern (19th-20th century) types.
    1) Alpine,Dinaric,Mediterranean,Baltic and Nordic should be enough to identify most Europeans.
    2) These are not races, just examples of possible variants. Have fun with them but don’t take it seriously.
    3) No one is a Steppe Warrior or a Hunter Gatherer. Stop Frowning in your selfies to look badass, looks like you are taking a s*it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Columella View Post
    I probably answered more times to this thread.
    Ancient romans (for what we know from skeletal evidence and portraiture)
    Didn’t match any of the modern (19th-20th century) types.
    True! Oddly enough, I've seen their type, oddly enough, among a few British Islanders (eg: Jack Gleeson, who really resembles Roman patrician families, incl. Octavian)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aherne View Post
    True! Oddly enough, I've seen their type, oddly enough, among a few British Islanders (eg: Jack Gleeson, who really resembles Roman patrician families, incl. Octavian)...
    Yeah.
    He seems both broad headed and long headed (I’m not sure about head height, which in Roman Crania seems to have been low).
    Anyway features that can be noticed on Roman and in general Iron Age Europeans. He also has a heavy jaw and psychopath look which fits perfectly ancient Roman emperors.


    (This doesn’t mean that Romans are Irish or viceversa)
    1) Alpine,Dinaric,Mediterranean,Baltic and Nordic should be enough to identify most Europeans.
    2) These are not races, just examples of possible variants. Have fun with them but don’t take it seriously.
    3) No one is a Steppe Warrior or a Hunter Gatherer. Stop Frowning in your selfies to look badass, looks like you are taking a s*it.
    4) We are all WC: Westernized Consumers.

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    DinaroMeds mostly.

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    Ancient Romans looked like Phil Collins
    1) Alpine,Dinaric,Mediterranean,Baltic and Nordic should be enough to identify most Europeans.
    2) These are not races, just examples of possible variants. Have fun with them but don’t take it seriously.
    3) No one is a Steppe Warrior or a Hunter Gatherer. Stop Frowning in your selfies to look badass, looks like you are taking a s*it.
    4) We are all WC: Westernized Consumers.

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