Battle of Kosovo, the truth

[RandoBloom]

Nope he did not.

He said:



I am genuinely surprised you mistook Bosnia for Greece. Another typo?

Loooooooooool. Where was Anatolia longer? Antaolia is landmass, not political governemnt.

Is this typo or personal attack by me?


Calling Austrian pseudo-historian from XIX century fool is personal attack against you. Interdasting.

Bosnia for Greece?
Anatolia was longer in Ottomans than greece
And dont worry, its an attempt of personal attack
Pseudo historian due to not having that as his education
As I posted a source from a book that deals explicitely with him

[Twistedmind]

Bosnia for Greece?

Yes, guy whom you responded to was talking about Bosnia and Turkey. Where do you see Greece in his message?

Turkey, which is a compact state, is still no better than the average Balkan state. The fact that Turkey is better than Bosnia has more to do with the fact that Bosnia was always the shithole of the Balkans. From our perspective, being outside of the Ottoman world was a positive development.

Anatolia was longer in Ottomans than greece

And until 5 years ago it pwned Turkey ecconomicaly.

And dont worry, its an attempt of personal attack
Pseudo historian due to not having that as his education

He was pseudo-historia due lack to use of sources, due to lakck of understanding of events, due making falsifications and due to stupid dissertations.

As I posted a source from a book that deals explicitely with him

You mean sources which he used for writting his books are that books itself. Sounds logical.

[Böri]

Things weren't so white or black as portrayal here.
Nor Serbs were so all 'Turk-hater' as per revised history in 1980's and 1990's, nor Bosniaks and Albos were innocent sweet hearts 'clean people waiting Turks to bring them Islam' (that says propaganda and revisionism in Turkey)....
The war was mainly provoked by Bosniak-Serb king Tvrtko of Bosnia, both he and Northern Albanian prince Durad Blasic made a nasty provocation. The north Albo prince made a trick,he said Murad that Tvrtko is nuisance and asked aid. When Turks sent troops to raid on Bosnia, Tvrtko's nephew Vlatko Vukovic and his Bosniak troops backed by troops of the Albanian traitor Blasic ambushed Turks and killed Akinjis. That is known as Plosnik/Bileca and was first serious defeat the Ottomans ever suffered in Balkans.
That emboldened Bosnia's king Tvrtko and he succeded playing Serbian Prince Lazar against Turks.
Even as the war was about to happen, local Serb lord of Kyustendil (modern NW Bulgaria) joined Murad's army with his few hundreds of Serbs and fought for Turks at Kosovo 1389 battle. Thus, things a bit more complicated than legends and myths invented nowadays in Balkans.

[Böri]

Albos, I wouldn't advise you to burn Turkish flags again.Coz Turks now started to blame openly Bosnian king Tvrtko (calling his troops clear Bosniak, with -k) and Albanians of Blasic in that battle with the Bileca/Plosnik provocations. While also admitting Serb prince Brankovic was bribed in all friendship so he leaves the battle ground at the critical moment.

Something unseen in the past when Serbs were solely demonized. Now you guys officially share the burden of the blood that was spilled with coward ambushed together with the Bosnian king and Vukovic.

2018-made Turkish doc talking about those Bosniak and Northern Albanian provocations, portraying them as cowards and backstabbers...


History is being rewritten...
After Murad's death news, it's said that Bosnia's king Tvrtko sent envoys to the West to announce their victory. French, Italians were happy even organizing Catholic Masses.... Yet Tvrtko gave misleading and wrong info since he didn't know the real outcome of the battle with Turks controlling the battleground and Prince Lazar also fallen.

[Wizz]

Very good thread, here is some more

Passing through all these countries, he occupied much land, among which was the city of Adrianopole (Edirne). When Murad the Second (5) took power, he seized Serbia and Bulgaria in a huge onslaught. Lazar (6), the Despot of Serbia, and King Marko of Bulgaria and Theodore Musachi, the second-born of our family, and the other Lords of Albania united and set off for battle, which the Christians lost (7). It was there that the above mentioned Theodore, who had a large band of Albanians with him, was slain. The said Lazar of Serbia was taken prisoner and later slain.

1515 John Musachi: Brief Chronicle on the Descendants of our Musachi Dynasty

Teodor II Muzaka was member of the Muzaka family, Albanian nobles who ruled the Principality of Berat.[2] He died fighting during the Battle of Kosovo in 1389 on the side of the anti-Ottoman coalition led by Lazar of Serbia.[3][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodor_II_Muzaka

The Battle of Kosovo 1389: An Albanian Epic



Revolt in Kosovo 1689-90 against Ottomans organized by Albanians Toma Raspasani and Pjeter Bogdani:

Among the papers of Ludwig von Baden in Karlsruhe, there is a copy of an intercepted letter, in French, written by a secretary of the English Embassy in Istanbul on 19 January 1690; it reports that the 'Germans' in Kosovo have made contact with 20,000 Albanians ["Albanois"] who have turned their weapons against the Turks.

Serbs claim these were '20,000' Serbs

Kosovo in the Great Turkish War 1689