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    Default The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves

    They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

    Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.


    We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.

    But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

    The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

    Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

    From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

    During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

    Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

    As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

    African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

    In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

    England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

    There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.

    But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.

    Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories.

    But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?

    Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer?

    Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.

    None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.


    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-iri...n-white-slaves
    Last edited by Kastrioti1443; 11-27-2013 at 07:26 PM.

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    The schools in America only talk about darkie slavery, to make Whites feel guilty.

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    Those nr are terrible.

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    *sigh* people who use the Irish Slave experience as wedge against any reparation forget key facts

    1.Their servitude COULD NOT be passed down
    2.The women often married the very African men those men marrying for the very reason written above
    3.Most Irish after their servitude became small farmers themselves, amassing wealth and getting slaves themselves
    4.After Bacon's Rebellion in the United States they were given priority and rights beyond the measure of African Slaves, reinforced racialized notions of class and ranked and facilitated the discrimination of free and freed black population

    The experience of white indentured servants and African slaves were different, I don't know why people want to say its the exact same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidMulat View Post
    The experience of white indentured servants and African slaves were different, I don't know why people want to say its the exact same thing.
    You're right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KidMulat View Post
    *sigh* people who use the Irish Slave experience as wedge against any reparation forget key facts

    1.Their servitude COULD NOT be passed down
    2.The women often married the very African men those men marrying for the very reason written above
    3.Most Irish after their servitude became small farmers themselves, amassing wealth and getting slaves themselves
    4.After Bacon's Rebellion in the United States they were given priority and rights beyond the measure of African Slaves, reinforced racialized notions of class and ranked and facilitated the discrimination of free and freed black population

    The experience of white indentured servants and African slaves were different, I don't know why people want to say its the exact same thing.
    From the article:

    As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kastrioti1443 View Post
    From the article:

    As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.
    At the very beginning of the Irish Slave Trade you already had the Iberian Slave Trade of Africans who by the time they got to the New World were specialized in a needed skill (One brought Wheat to the New World, One was a master linguist, many were reknowned sailors, goldsmiths, and later rice cultivators/sugar processors/cotton growers) in Macaronesia/Senegambia the slave trade was in full swing with grummetes being instrumental in the colonies in a way illiterate and mostly subsistence farmer Irish/Scottish just weren't.

    It was not until Lusophone populations started to actually incentive wars that the flow of Africans become such to being affordable.

    As soon as the actual infrastructure was made by skilled slaves, any status of Africans over Europeans ended.
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    I really am not going to niggle over details with you KM (who has to make every thread about himself or his perceived race somehow), but yes thankfully in USA at least they were released. But only after they fought for their freedom. They didn't actually have much choice. Imagine thousands of Melonheads running around in the woods with machetes and high caliber muskets. Supposedly that's how one of the first of my ancestors got here, btw. Like I said somewhere else, Irish people have always been fighting, but our enemies were people like english, scottish, and romans none of whom had any sense of mercy or fair play in those days.

    1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade
    Here is the part most incredible to me, that gets ignored. This is a lot of reason why, like I said before, most of Ireland is really not all that Irish. Even english have got some irish mixed in but it's just not the same compared to guys like my maternal grandfather...guys like him just don't exist any more, it's like peering into the past of humanity.

    Everybody has gone through some amount of slavery but actually knowing history unlike most people, and seeing how much different I am to the people around me, I feel like some relic of the past myself.

    And also, I have thought that many times...great words. Pirate/Viking culture is the origin of England and if you scrape a little it's still there. Great post, thanks my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonhead View Post
    I really am not going to niggle over details with you KM (who has to make every thread about himself or his perceived race somehow), but yes thankfully in USA at least they were released. But only after they fought for their freedom. They didn't actually have much choice. Imagine thousands of Melonheads running around in the woods with machetes and high caliber muskets. Supposedly that's how one of the first of my ancestors got here, btw. Like I said somewhere else, Irish people have always been fighting, but our enemies were people like english, scottish, and romans none of whom had any sense of mercy or fair play in those days.



    Here is the part most incredible to me, that gets ignored. This is a lot of reason why, like I said before, most of Ireland is really not all that Irish. Even english have got some irish mixed in but it's just not the same compared to guys like my maternal grandfather...guys like him just don't exist any more, it's like peering into the past of humanity.

    Everybody has gone through some amount of slavery but actually knowing history unlike most people, and seeing how much different I am to the people around me, I feel like some relic of the past myself.

    And also, I have thought that many times...great words. Pirate/Viking culture is the origin of England and if you scrape a little it's still there. Great post, thanks my friend.

    Melonehead, personally I am shocked by this article, and I am a person who is cold blooded.... what shocked me the most are the nr and the ignoration of this very very sad and tragic part of the irish history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonhead View Post
    I really am not going to niggle over details with you KM (who has to make every thread about himself or his perceived race somehow), but yes thankfully in USA at least they were released. But only after they fought for their freedom. They didn't actually have much choice. Imagine thousands of Melonheads running around in the woods with machetes and high caliber muskets. Supposedly that's how one of the first of my ancestors got here, btw. Like I said somewhere else, Irish people have always been fighting, but our enemies were people like english, scottish, and romans none of whom had any sense of mercy or fair play in those days.



    Here is the part most incredible to me, that gets ignored. This is a lot of reason why, like I said before, most of Ireland is really not all that Irish. Even english have got some irish mixed in but it's just not the same compared to guys like my maternal grandfather...guys like him just don't exist any more, it's like peering into the past of humanity.

    Everybody has gone through some amount of slavery but actually knowing history unlike most people, and seeing how much different I am to the people around me, I feel like some relic of the past myself.

    And also, I have thought that many times...great words. Pirate/Viking culture is the origin of England and if you scrape a little it's still there. Great post, thanks my friend.
    It's not a matter of making it personal, I have my focuses I study on and I speak on them, the Irish indentures of the Carribeans either assimilated into black communities or atleast in the lesser Antilles created small communities of incestous people unwilling to have any job they likened to black people ( They were/are the Red Legs).

    The most "Irish" island to have these indentured people is of Monserrat and its mostly the black and brown populations that descend from those Irish/Scottish indentured servant as most of the white population then and now are English.
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