Italy school crucifixes 'barred'

[Bard]

Bother other people? If you bother yourself, it is not the fault of anybody else, but if you disrespect religious symbols by burning them and turning them upside down, I really think it's you bothering the religious and not the other way around.

Oh lawl, I didn't understand you were angry because of that, when you are a kid you simply don't understand what you are really doing, we did that kind of things just to be "transgressive" or call it like you want, now I obviously wouldn't do that.

[Tony]

Most schools here , especially the new ones or the renovated ones , don't even have a crucifix , because neither pupils nor their families ask formally for it , why?because at this point Italy has became a mostly secularized country but still we can't stand impositions from abroad telling us what is right and what's wrong.
Despite not being a catholic myself I cannot deny 16 and more centuries of catholic influence upon architecture , art in general , ways of thinking , even names and I really can't grasp how such a small sculpture might bias the learning process of pupils or the teachers in any way , nor their personal freedom.
Italy has a tradition in Catholicism and everyone but the ignorants know that , so get used to it or leave (I'm talkink for example to that Finnish woman) this ruling has causing much of an uproar in all Italians , both left sympathizers and more conservative ones and I too think the judges up there should mind their business and not interfere so blatantly in ours.

[Amapola]

It means no regime of exception. All religious manifestations must be displayed only outside of public institutions, therefore public buildings and the sort.
It's even debatable if temples, churches, mosques, etc... should face the front of a street as it stands clearly as a demonstration of power. At least it's what one of your Catholic brothers implemented here in the old times of Fascism, Salazar you know.

I still don't see it... a neutral regime that declares itself promoting the religious freedom and it's banning any manifestation of the same is contradictory. I am bold enough to believe that a majority in Italy is Catholic... so what are they democratically doing then? Doing what they want by not taking into consideration the religious context?

Appart from that, what you suggest is impossible... we cannot re-invent ourselves and start from the scratch, it's just crazy, we have to face the fact that there is a 2000 year history of Christianity behind us.

If we really take to being neutral without imparciality, why don't we start banning symbols in our culture that represent something that we don't like or we find ofenssive? Any symbol can be offensive, depending on who is looking at it. A society without symbols is a society of insects. I could easily go to the Court and say that I find the symbol of the communist party offensive because of the many crimes they perpetrated and I don't want to see any public display of it.

[Anthropos]

Oh lawl, I didn't understand you were angry because of that, when you are a kid you simply don't understand what you are really doing, we did that kind of things just to be "transgressive" or call it like you want, now I obviously wouldn't do that.

Okay, I see, how should I know what stage you're in? I wasn't really angry, by the way, I just think that it is a bad tendency overall that Europeans don't even show some fundamental respect for their heritage. But I got some bad upbringing myself, you know, so it's not like I'm playing totally innocent. After all, we are so far gone on the slope that it takes a reaction against the way we were brought up to actually get on our feet again, in many cases anyway.

[Thorum]

Good to see a little rationality. Religion has been shoving it's ridiculous supernatural beliefs on mankind long enough...

[Poltergeist]

Good to see a little rationality. Religion has been shoving it's ridiculous supernatural beliefs on mankind long enough...

Yes, an immigrant prescribing to Italians what they should have in their classrooms. That's very rational.

[Anthropos]

Good to see a little rationality. Religion has been shoving it's ridiculous supernatural beliefs on mankind long enough...

I'm sure that's a real problem because of bad upbringing, or because you were harassed by Benny Hinn, but there's nothing rational at all in what this stupid woman did.

[Osweo]

harassed by Benny Hinn

Is 'N' next to 'L' on a Swedish keyboard?

I actually find the crucifix in itself a rather creepy thing, especially the lifelike ones that Catholics like. I don't like Roman Catholic art in general, finding it too sickly sweet and cloying. My (post-)Protestant atheistic mother always sneered at this sort of thing in Catholic relatives' houses...

... but this Italian situation is outrageous.

I can't believe the brazen insolence of outsiders who complain about their hosts' way of life. She wants deporting, this woman-creature.

But I am even more disgusted with locals who SUBMIT to such madness. Why do we accept insane laws and directives from our 'politicians'?!? If every school in Italy refused to go along with this madness, not EVERY headteacher could be prosecuted or disciplined

There is a similar case with our traditional English weights and measures, which are being 'phased out' against the wishes of the people. Tradesmen have been fined and harrassed for serving old women in the only way they understand.

I read in the paper the other day, that a woman was officially cautioned by the police for using the 'offensive' term 'fat' to describe a man who had broken into her home. Her husband hit the man, and now has a criminal record for 'Gross Bodily Harm'. The law has gone mad, and judges are often the worst to blame. We need to start again from scratch.

[Kadu]

I still don't see it... a neutral regime that declares itself promoting the religious freedom and it's banning any manifestation of the same is contradictory

Simple as when a Mother asks her children to wash their hands before dinner.

Appart from that, what you suggest is impossible... we cannot re-invent ourselves and start from the scratch, it's just crazy, we have to face the fact that there is a 2000 year history of Christianity behind us.

We cannot re-invent yes but we can put a stop to that.

I could easily go to the Court and say that I find the symbol of the communist party offensive because of the many crimes they perpetrated and I don't want to see any public display of it.

I don't remember seeing or hearing about an hammer and sickle in public schools, maybe in the old Soviet Union, but we are not talking about totalitarian regimes but of Democratic secularist regimes.

[chap]

Crucifixes should be barred in government schools, why should this secular mother (taxpayer, or wife of taxpayer) subsidise Catholic ornaments.