Differences between Ancient Romans and Ancient Greeks in appearance.

[Sikeliot]

We often describe some looks as "Greco-Roman". I know I have described my own features as such; aquiline nose, dark hair, eyes, etc. And I can say that modern central Italians and some Greeks today do not cluster far from one another genetically nor look that different phenotypically.

So, my question is what is the difference we'd expect in ancient times between the two? Which appearances or elements were more common in Rome versus Greece?

I'd assume Romans would have had more "Atlantid" type elements, while Greeks would have had more "Kurganid" types, but overall both populations would have had the same Neolithic West Asian strain, and a Mediterranean base.

[Smeagol]

I think the Roman national type was between Mediterranid, and Nordid with Dinarid, and Alpinid-Cromagnid influences. The ancient Greeks were similar to modern Greeks, but not nearly as Alpinized, so basically Mediterranid (Pontid, and East Mediterranid), with Dinarid, and minor Nordoid, and Alpinid influences.

[Sikeliot]

I think the Roman national type was between Mediterranid, and Nordid with Dinarid, and Alpinid-Cromagnid influences. The ancient Greeks were similar to modern Greeks, but not nearly as Alpinized, so basically Mediterranid (Pontid, and East Mediterranid), with Dinarid, and minor Nordoid, and Alpinid influences.

So would you say the Roman type is best preserved in northern Italians, central, or southern? People often assume the Roman look is that of southern Italians, but I'd assume that has to do with the nose.

Why are Greeks today more Alpinized?

[Smeagol]

So would you say the Roman type is best preserved in northern Italians, central, or southern? People often assume the Roman look is that of southern Italians, but I'd assume that has to do with the nose

It is most common in Central Italians, where it occurs more often then most people would expect.

Why are Greeks today more Alpinized?

Selection.

Alpinization - ''an evolutionary process or tendency involving reduction, brachycephalization and infantilization, possibly an adaption to a low energy, sedentary existence. Some alpinized or partially alpinized Europid populations (Alpinoids), are Alpinid, Borreby and Gorid.''

[aherne]

They were completely different in looks. (Early) Romans were mainly an CM-Aryan-Alpine mix with Mediterranean influences. (Early) Greeks were mainly Pelasgian (East-Mediterranean with Dinaric, Alpine and CM influences) plus a token Aryan element. Culture reflects anthropological data: Romans being mainly Aryan, while Greeks being mainly Pelasgian.

[Sikeliot]

So what you mean to say is, Romans were not originally Mediterranean at all except in small amount. So when we describe someone who is a swarthy Italian with a straight nose as "Roman" looking, it's inaccurate?

I wouldn't describe southern Italians as Roman looking anyhow although of course you can find Italic looking people in every region.. but even Lazio today has less of an Aryan element than one would think if the ancient Romans were largely Aryan influenced. Genetically, also not much NE Euro.

[Smeagol]

I wouldn't describe southern Italians as Roman looking anyhow although of course you can find Italic looking people in every region..

There are Roman looking South Italians, they are not the majority though. In North, and Central Italy, the Roman type is more common.

[Sikeliot]

There are Roman looking South Italians, they are not the majority though. In North, and Central Italy, the Roman type is more common.

I just posted a Sicilian who might look "Roman", let me know what you think. I think the Greek look is more common in the south though, for obvious historical reasons.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Ancient Romans were mainly= subracially mixed between, Mediterranid,Alpine and Dinaric elements predominating and with minority Roman looking Nordid influence ones.

[Smeagol]

Ancient Romans were mainly= subracially mixed between, Mediterranid,Alpine and Dinaric elements predominating and with minority Roman looking Nordid influence ones.

Italians have also become more Alpinized since the early medieval times. Cromagnid was stronger. There were a good many Romans with Nordid influence, just like there are many North, and Central Italians with Nordid influences today. Classic Nordids were present but rare.