Senhores de Engenho, XIX century pics (Northeast Brazil)

[SupaThug]

Are alot of these decendants of the founders of Brazil? Aren't you decendant of the first Portuguese settlers in Brazil?

Do you consider the decendants of the first Portuguese settlers of Brazil more Brazilian than the Brazilian seperatist of Rio Grande Do Sul who are of recent immigrant stock ?

These questions are for curupira,right?

[RMuller]

These questions are for curupira,right?

Yes.

[curupira]

Are alot of these decendants of the founders of Brazil? Aren't you decendant of the first Portuguese settlers in Brazil?

Do you consider the decendants of the first Portuguese settlers of Brazil more Brazilian than the Brazilian seperatist of Rio Grande Do Sul who are of recent immigrant stock ?

They are and I am. My earliest ancestors settled down in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, and from there explored mineral wealth in Minas Gerais. João Ramalho is the first Portuguese settler of Brazil, and I am a direct descendant of him. He may have arrived before 1500! Thus my own personal story and that of millions of Southeast Brazilians (Minas Gerais, São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro) is similar to theirs (to those from Northeast Brazil).

Southern Brazil was explored later, also by people from São Paulo, bandeirantes, who founded Laguna and São Francisco do Sul in Santa Catarina and from there annexed Rio Grande do Sul. Thus, many people from the South also have a similar history (just to mention two examples, Getúlio Vargas, one of our most important presidents, was a descendant of Amador Bueno, a colonial figure from São Paulo, just like I am; and Antonio de Sousa Neto, an important figure from Rio Grande do Sul, was also a descendant of João Ramalho, like I am: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B4nio_de_Sousa_Neto).

Later on, Azorean couples were settled down in Rio Grande do Sul and in Santa Catarina to guarantee the territory. Those who belong to near or fully German or Italian communities in the South are usually the ones (though not all) who feel the least identified to the rest of Brazil. I don't like it, since they did not conquer it, they were just invited and accepted the invitation. But that's my personal opinion. In the end, Brazil belonged to the Native Americans and was robbed from them. That injustice has gone beyond the point of return. I will pass away in a few decades... so what happens here ultimately is not that relevant. And I prefer to focus on my own personal welfare.

This thread is about an extremely important segment within Brazilian society, the colonial segment from Northeast Brazil, which made up the upper class of the country up until recently. Many of them still do. Some of the people I posted on this thread are familiar to anyone who has a basic knowledge on Brazil.

[SupaThug]

They are and I am. My earliest ancestors settled down in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, and from there explored mineral wealth in Minas Gerais. João Ramalho is the first Portuguese settler of Brazil, and I am a direct descendant of him. He may have arrived before 1500! Thus my own personal story and that of millions of Southeast Brazilians (Minas Gerais, São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro) is similar to theirs (to those from Northeast Brazil).

Southern Brazil was explored later, also by people from São Paulo, bandeirantes, who founded Laguna and São Francisco do Sul in Santa Catarina and from there annexed Rio Grande do Sul. Thus, many people from the South also have a similar history (just to mention two examples, Getúlio Vargas, one of our most important presidents, was a descendant of Amador Bueno, a colonial figure from São Paulo, just like I am; and Antonio de Sousa Neto, an important figure from Rio Grande do Sul, was also a descendant of João Ramalho, like I am: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B4nio_de_Sousa_Neto).

Later on, Azorean couples were settled down in Rio Grande do Sul and in Santa Catarina to guarantee the territory. Those who belong to near or fully German or Italian communities in the South are usually the ones (though not all) who feel the least identified to the rest of Brazil. I don't like it, since they did not conquer it, they were just invited and accepted the invitation. But that's my personal opinion. In the end, Brazil belonged to the Native Americans and was robbed from them. That injustice has gone beyond the point of return. I will pass away in a few decades... so what happens here ultimately is not that relevant. And prefer to focus on my own personal welfare.

This thread is about an extremely important segment within Brazilian society, the colonial segment from Northeast Brazil, is made up the upper class of the country up until recently. Many of them still do. Some of the people I posted of this thread are familiar to anyone who has a basic knowledge on Brazil.

You descend from João Ramalho?That's awsome,how did you gather so much information about your colonial ancestry?I am very interested in mine but I don't know much about it...My great-grandmother is quarter colonial from Piracicaba,do you think that I may descend from João Ramalho too?

[curupira]

I had opened a thread explaining it, what goes to Baltazar Antas de Moras goes to João Ramalho (I guess you're likely a descendant of him or at least of some of the early settlers too, the population was very small...)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...hlight=Moreira

You descend from João Ramalho?That's awsome,how did you gather so much information about your colonial ancestry?I am very interested in mine but I don't know much about it...My great-grandmother is quarter colonial from Piracicaba,do you think that I may descend from João Ramalho too?

[Tenma de Pegasus]

I had opened a thread explaining it, what goes to Baltazar Antas de Moras goes to João Ramalho (I guess you're likely a descendant of him or at least of some of the early settlers too, the population was very small...)

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...hlight=Moreira

Great thread, interesting founder people and important informations.

[Cristiano viejo]

Engenho means ingenio in Spanish? I guess yes, since ingenios are how were called the installations to produce sugar etc in the colonies...

[WeißerJunge]

Um bando de fdp.