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Thread: Should Ukraine and Belarus be part of the Russian Federation?

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    Default Should Ukraine and Belarus be part of the Russian Federation?

    Are Ukraine and Belarus different enough culturally and linguistically from Russia to justify independence or are they similar enough to be part of the Russian Federation?

    In large countries there are often regional identities I mean look at Italy and Germany. Heck Wales and England are far more different then Ukraine and Russia. If Ukraine and Belarus joined Russia they could still maintain their regional identities as part of a broader Russian state.

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    Not West Ukraine. The rest yes.

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    Belarus and Western Ukraine are different. Integrating these areas permanently into a Russian state would be impossible, look what happens in Kiev!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    Belarus and Western Ukraine are different. Integrating these areas permanently into a Russian state would be impossible, look what happens in Kiev!
    Maybe, but I think it might be because they have been brainwashed by the West and Ukrainian nationalists. Maybe if they were absorbed into Russia they could be re-educated...
    Last edited by DeaththeKid; 12-16-2013 at 12:11 AM.

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    I would say yes. They are still all Russians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germanophile View Post
    Maybe, but I think it might be because they have been brainwashed by the West and Ukrainian nationalists. Maybe if the were absorbed into Russia they could be re-educated...
    The West is part of their history since centuries. The Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth or the Austrian Empire is their past. They are partially integrated to the Western world and the Soviet brainwashing was not able to modify this, so there is no chance!

    This is my assumption about the future, this is the real maximum of the Russian influence sphere in Europe:

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    Ask Ukraine and Belarus what they think about it?

    What you think is irrelevant, the only thing that counts is how they feel about it. Both countries have tthe right to self determination.

    Said all that I am in favor of all Slavic countries working closely together, as equal members. Only when the bigger and more powerful Slavic nations respect all other Slavic groups as equal partners will that be possible, I hope this happens real soon as there is little time left to be wasted. We don't need to be the same to be one.
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    Ukraine if the Ukrainian people want it, Belarus no way.

    EDIT: Also, would Moldova be a Russian buffer state?
    Last edited by portusaus; 12-16-2013 at 10:47 AM. Reason: junk removal + chronological grammar

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    Quote Originally Posted by rashka View Post
    I would say yes. They are still all Russians.
    Say that to a Ukrainian's face

    Brothers don't commit acts of genocide on each other. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

    Ukraine should be integrated into the EU, except possibly some of the easternmost raions where the Russians are in the majority. Overall, though, most Ukrainains are not pro-Russia. According to the census data, around 78% of Ukrainian citizens are ethnic Ukrainians, and 17% Russians, again, mainly in the far east of the country. Galicia is 95% Ukrainian.

    Here are a couple of maps to ponder:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uk..._Ukrainian.svg
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uk...01_Russian.svg

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    What about Ukraine and Belarus I have nothing to say, but Moldova (including the entire border of Transnistria, from north to south) should join România as quickly as possible. One people without borders







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