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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    Gagauzia Turkic. The Budjak Bulgarians majority live in the Ukrainian part of Budjak:

    The Gagauz and Bulgarians in the Budzhak came to Bessarabia at the same time from the same place - Eastern Bulgaria. The reason being the desire of emperial Russia to repopulate this territory, previously occupied by Tatars who immigrated to Ottoman Turkey after conquest, with Slavic speaking Orthodox people from the Balkans. Since the Bulgarians were basically bilingual in Bulgarian and Turkish at the time the Russian authorities failed to notice any difference between the Gagauz and them. And indeed, the Gagauz had the same folklore - dress, music(including songs sung in the Bulgarian language), holidays as their Bulgarian neighbours and the intermarriages are very frequent. Bottom line - the Gagauz are a Bulgarian ethnographic subgroup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morski View Post
    The Gagauz and Bulgarians in the Budzhak came to Bessarabia at the same time from the same place - Eastern Bulgaria. The reason being the desire of emperial Russia to repopulate this territory, previously occupied by Tatars who immigrated to Ottoman Turkey after conquest, with Slavic speaking Orthodox people from the Balkans. Since the Bulgarians were basically bilingual in Bulgarian and Turkish at the time the Russian authorities failed to notice any difference between the Gagauz and them. And indeed, the Gagauz had the same folklore - dress, music(including songs sung in the Bulgarian language), holidays as their Bulgarian neighbours and the intermarriages are very frequent. Bottom line - the Gagauz are a Bulgarian ethnographic subgroup.
    The Gagauz peoples are a Turkic ethnographic group. Yes, they have Bulgarian influence, but they are not Bulgarians and they were never Bulgarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    The Gagauz peoples are a Turkic ethnographic group. Yes, they have Bulgarian influence, but they are not Bulgarians and they were never Bulgarians.
    They call themselves asli Bulgar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morski View Post
    They call themselves asli Bulgar.
    The asli Bulgar was the name of the poor Bulgarian peasants in the Balkan. The Gagaus peoples call himself "blue Oguz". This is the meaning of their name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    The asli Bulgar was the name of the poor Bulgarian peasants in the Balkan. The Gagaus peoples call himself "blue Oguz". This is the meaning of their name.
    In 19th century, before their migration to Bessarabia, the Gagauzes from the Bulgarian lands (then in Ottoman Turkey) considered themselves Bulgarians. Ethnological research suggest that "Gagauz" was a linguistic distinction and not ethnic. Gagauzes to that time called themselves "Hasli Bulgar" (True Bulgars) or "Eski Bulgar" (Old Bulgars) and considered the term "Gagauz" applied to them by the Slavic-speaking Bulgarians (who they called "toukan") demeaning
    In connection with the etymological problem of the ethnonym Gagauz, one should always keep in mind that this very name was first mentioned in written sources in the eighteenth century (Radova 1995, p. 268). Before that, they were recognized in Moldova as Turkish-speaking Bulgarians (Turkish population). The term Gagauz probably was initially not a self-designation but rather as an exonim, ide est a name given by neighboring ethnic groups.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_people

    The Gagauz are Bulgarians, end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morski View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagauz_people
    The Gagauz are Bulgarians, end of story.
    Bulgarian theories...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaycev View Post
    There is no difference between an Moldovan and Romanian. Moldavia was integral in the role of unification of Romania back in 1859 I think. Stop spreading bullshit. You're not even romanian, nor moldovian to judge.

    I don't know why most hungarians in this forum are such utter retards
    He know more than me, even he never was in Moldavia and he is not a moldavian

    Bulgarian theories...
    But your retarded theories what say, the moldavians are not the same with romanians indeed they have the same languge,religion,folk music,folk customs and history with W Moldavia/Wallachia/Romania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velaxa View Post
    But your retarded theories what say, the moldavians are not the same with romanians indeed they have the same languge,religion,folk music,folk customs and history with W Moldavia/Wallachia/Romania.
    Moldova and Wallachia were different states with different history, different culture, architecture and even folk costumes! The Moldovan culture close to the Rusyn, Ukrainian culture, but the Wallachian to the Balkan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    Moldova and Wallachia were different states with different history, different culture, architecture and even folk costumes! The Moldovan culture close to the Rusyn, Ukrainian culture, but the Wallachian to the Balkan.
    Jesus Christ ! DUDE I'm a fucking moldavian, do you tell me what I am?
    There's are different folk costumes and betwen wallachians from Dambovita and wallachians from Buzau, but they mostly have "opinci" and 'IE romaneasc"




    And the music is mostly the same dude, you are pathetic.





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