Should Ukraine and Belarus be part of the Russian Federation?

[Baluarte]

Ukraine has no political power or role other than playing buffer like State between the pro US bloc (EU) and Russia. A quick occupation will restore the borders to the natural state that existed before

[Longbowman]

Ukraine has no political power or role other than playing buffer like State between the pro US bloc (EU) and Russia. A quick occupation will restore the borders to the natural state that existed before

Over our cold, dead bodies.

Seriously, where do you even come from?

[Szegedist]

Ukraine has no political power or role other than playing buffer like State between the pro US bloc (EU) and Russia. A quick occupation will restore the borders to the natural state that existed before

natural state... you mean 1945-1990s?

[Sikeliot]

I agree, I'm attacking his warped logic, not suggesting Spanish hegemony.

Ok, good. I was going to say, your comment had the potential to offend.

[Longbowman]

natural state... you mean 1945-1990s?

This is also an excellent point. The only time all Ukraine has pertained to a Russian-dominated entity was the USSR. Before WWI half of it was Austrian, including my family's part. Shall we return things to the 'natural' Communist boundaries, or the 'natural' modern early Europe Habsburg boundaries?

[Baluarte]

natural state... you mean 1945-1990s?

Not particularly, no.

Ukraine never existed as a political separate entity before.

[Longbowman]

Not particularly, no.

Ukraine never existed as a political separate entity before.

Then, what do you mean? Because like I said, before the USSR, it was briefly independent, then partitioned between Russia and Austria.

This type of thinking is typical of Russian nationalists who hate Communism but loved the power they wielded with it. You can't have it both ways.

[Szegedist]

the 'natural' modern early Europe Habsburg boundaries?

Works for me.

[Szegedist]

One must be careful to not let their dislike of the West lead them on the path of Soviet apologism.

[Baluarte]

Works for me.

Yes, that one sounds ok. Prior to Polish partitions borders were pretty well set.