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Thread: Should Ukraine and Belarus be part of the Russian Federation?

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    Maybe Ukraine, Belarus is a different story, vast majority of Belarusians speak Russian today, not Belarusian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirin View Post
    Maybe Ukraine, Belarus is a different story, vast majority of Belarusians speak Russian today, not Belarusian.
    So do people from Ireland and Britan, Austria and Germany, R. Moldova and Romania, etc.
    That doesn't grant the bigger party the right to question the sovereignty of the smaller one.
    It is up to the people to decide, ideally in a referendum that is declared valid only if the voter turnout is >= 2/3rds of the voting age population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ion Basescul View Post
    It is up to the people to decide, ideally in a referendum that is declared valid only if the voter turnout is >= 2/3rds of the voting age population.
    I agree, but for some reason many in Eastern Europe avoid the referendum way. Moldova - Romania case is the best example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirin View Post
    I agree, but for some reason many in Eastern Europe avoid the referendum way. Moldova - Romania case is the best example.
    Because right now in R. Moldova it won't pass firstly, but secondly I doubt that the political class in Romania wants us as another burden on their social system. Those from the political class in R. Moldova also don't want to lose their privileged access to the resources that enable them to steal. Simply using the hype (or fear) to rile up the voters in both countries is a good status quo for now in both R. Moldova and Romania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurzat View Post
    it's time we join our Orthodox brothers. to keep local autonomy and language but to have a union with more culturally relevant nations to us than the Western ones
    It is just politics. Ukraine and Belarus are more Russian than many of the regions and republics of the modern day "Russian Federation". Better Ukraine or Belarus would be in Russia instead of Chechnya or Dagestan. But the russian government did many stupid things to piss off Ukrainians and ruined any integration processes in the long term. Also Russia as country with a mediocore and corrupt economy is not anymore attractive to young super-westernized Ukrainians and Belarusians who grew up with western culture and are aware of the much better economy in the West.

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