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    Quote Originally Posted by Marowit View Post
    Most look like they came by a boat from the mid east yesterday. I dare say that MENA immigrants probably displaced the native Italian population in the south and polluted the northern Italian population (and other nations wich were under the Roman empire)
    The impact was very small from any invading group but I do suspect that the original Sicilians (i.e. pre-Greek, pre-Roman, pre-Moorish and pre-Roman) were actually darker and more West Asian than the people today, who have at least some input from European groups in the last thousand years. Prior to that, I'd debate whether or not they would be considered a genetically European population, possibly clustering with Cypriots.

    Whereas a little Norman, some ancient Greek (mind you they had less West Asian than Greeks today), and then migration from the mainland Italy would be just enough to put them clustering where they do now. And you know this since the isolated areas of inland Sicily (Enna, Caltanissetta etc) come up more West Asian than people from the highly traveled coasts.

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    Why would that be? The distance from mainland Italy to Sicily is way smaller than let's say Tunisia or Greece, so it's easy to conclude that the original inhabitants would've looked the same like other Southern Italians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    The impact was very small from any invading group but I do suspect that the original Sicilians (i.e. pre-Greek, pre-Roman, pre-Moorish and pre-Roman) were actually darker and more West Asian than the people today, who have at least some input from European groups in the last thousand years. Prior to that, I'd debate whether or not they would be considered a genetically European population, possibly clustering with Cypriots.

    Whereas a little Norman, some ancient Greek (mind you they had less West Asian than Greeks today), and then migration from the mainland Italy would be just enough to put them clustering where they do now. And you know this since the isolated areas of inland Sicily (Enna, Caltanissetta etc) come up more West Asian than people from the highly traveled coasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruben View Post
    Why would that be? The distance from mainland Italy to Sicily is way smaller than let's say Tunisia or Greece, so it's easy to conclude that the original inhabitants would've looked the same like other Southern Italians.
    Because the original people of southern Italy had much less Indo-European input (North Euro) than Greeks did, but they still wouldn't have been, as a whole, Tunisian-like.

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    A bit different to the Sicilians. More square-ish faces on average.

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    campanians











    http://www.repstatic.it/content/localirep/img/rep-napoli/2014/08/17/101559212-adfbaf55-30b8-4bb0-9101-883cbd564b4e.jpg





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    Quote Originally Posted by special View Post

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    nice faces, all criminals everywhere have always this classy look

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Apulia

    Apulia, having been settled in some areas by Italics, in others by Illyrians, and in others by Greeks shows all of these types. Southern Apulia is more or less identical to Calabria and Sicily, while northern Apulia looks distinct.


    Northern Apulia:

    Northern Apulia is characterized by strong Alpine and Dinarid tendencies in combination with some sort of Mediterranean.

    Dinaro-Alpine-Pontids (rather Balkan looking):




    Dinaro-Alpine-East Mediterranids:




    Southern Apulia:

    Southern Apulia seems to be mostly Alpine and (East) Mediterranid, without much Dinarid at all.

    East Mediterranid with Atlantid and Pontid tendencies:




    Alpine-Meds:





    Other similar groups: Central Italians, Sicilians, Albanians, Serbs, Montenegrins, Greeks, Cypriots.
    in the trend of northern Puglia I recognize that there is some truth, these phenotypes are quite frequent there, but other frequent phenotypes have been neglected in a similar way, for example the west med, the alpinoid, the dinarid and above all (quite frequent) the norid, the alpine-norid and alpine-dinarid mix, as well as the real dinarid which can also be found, the most frequent I think is the gracile med-dinarid mix sincerely

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