Y DNA I found in Mesolithic Sweden(-I1) and Luxemburg, alot of other good stuff

**Black Wolf** · 12-25-2013, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Fire Haired

FTDNA has country projects so you can get an idea for yourself how certain mtDNA and Y DNA haplogroups are spread out. It takes forever though it took me a very long time or organize Finland which had 1788 samples(not counting the ones not from Finland). I mad three sections ones with no info, just name or year of most distant maternal ancestor, ones for sure from Finland, and ones not from Finland. It takes a lot of time and work to get it accurately I think I will start to try other country's now.

I don't want to start a genetics/anthropology blog because I don't know nearly as much stuff as Maju or Davidski do. This thread was easy to make all I did was copy information and compare to what I already know and do a little research. I like to learn from other people and then give my opinion, if all I did was present info I would make a lot of mistakes. I have started to not like just spitting out information and am becoming more conservative with my posting. After I learn a lot more I might make a blog. I plan to do history or genetics in college, it will probably help a lot.

Either way you have shown great interest and knowledge now about genetics. Keep up the good work.

**xajapa** · 12-25-2013, 07:56 PM

I dna really does appear to be the European y dna in Mesolithic period.

**Fire Haired** · 12-25-2013, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jaxman

La Brana is much more similar to Lithuanians overall than Basques. Once the full genome of La Brana is published it will show this. Maju only says this because he is still holding on to his own backwards belief that the Basques are the remnants of the Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic hunter-gatherers of Europe. He is wrong though because they are mainly of Neolithic farmer origins. They do have some Mesolithic hunter-gatherer ancestry but they have more Neolithic farmer ancestry on the whole.

Click here in one of those PCA's Basque and south French are pretty close to the La Branas. While in another one Lithuanians and Estonians are closet to WHG while Basque and French are much closer to EEF. Davidski says though that is not as reliable and everything else points northeast Baltics having the highest amount of pre Neolithic European ancestry. These new Mesolithic samples are extremely constant with what has already been discovered. The component or whatever it is called that descends from pre Neolithic Europeans is in a bigger west Eurasian family and very related to what is usually called west Asian. It seems based on that admixture thing I have in the thread no Europeans are over 50% pre Neolithic European, but north east Baltics and other northern, central, and eastern Europeans are close.

Maju is a genus but he does have some obvious biased(everyone is a little biased at times). At early times in DNA genetics Basque were seen as being the most pre Neolithic in Europe but now are seem to be very Neolithic. I remember when I was in 7th grade my dad got R1b and honestly the description of R1b's history was total BS, made to sell.

**Fire Haired** · 12-25-2013, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Jaxman

Either way you have shown great interest and knowledge now about genetics. Keep up the good work.

Thanks, you too.

**Black Wolf** · 12-25-2013, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Fire Haired

Click here in one of those PCA's Basque and south French are pretty close to the La Branas. While in another one Lithuanians and Estonians are closet to WHG while Basque and French are much closer to EEF. Davidski says though that is not as reliable and everything else points northeast Baltics having the highest amount of pre Neolithic European ancestry. These new Mesolithic samples are extremely constant with what has already been discovered. The component or whatever it is called that descends from pre Neolithic Europeans is in a bigger west Eurasian family and very related to what is usually called west Asian. It seems based on that admixture thing I have in the thread no Europeans are over 50% pre Neolithic European, but north east Baltics and other northern, central, and eastern Europeans are close.

Maju is a genus but he does have some obvious biased(everyone is a little biased at times). At early times in DNA genetics Basque were seen as being the most pre Neolithic in Europe but now are seem to be very Neolithic. I remember when I was in 7th grade my dad got R1b and honestly the description of R1b's history was total BS, made to sell.

Yes but the ADMIXTURE results of the La Brana samples always have them looking more like Lithuanians and Basques. I think those are more reliable than the PCA plots on the whole.

**Argang** · 12-25-2013, 08:19 PM

Anyway, this is what La Brana looked like in MDLP k27:
Baltic-Finnic 67,73%
Southwest Euro 26,46%
Central African H-G 5,78%

Basques were almost 70% Southwest Euro in that run.

**Fire Haired** · 12-25-2013, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Argang

Anyway, this is what La Brana looked like in MDLP k27:
Baltic-Finnic 67,73%
Southwest Euro 26,46%
Central African H-G 5,78%

Basques were almost 70% Southwest Euro in that run.

Not a surprise similar to his results in other tests. The African stuff keeps coming up I wonder if that's real.