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    A very slow assimilation happened between the 2nd century and the Mongol conquest. The Turkic and Iranic elites were united, but the basic population were the Iranians. The Mongol conquest basically exterminated a majority of the Central Asian population, after the 13th century a rural peoples were settled Turks (mixed with Iranians), but the urban peoples were mostly Iranians (mixed with Turks). This was the situation in the beginning of the Soviet times. But Soviets created ethnic Turkic republics and these republics opressed and assimilated the Iranian (the Soviets called them: Tajik) minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    Islam happened
    These languages were all Middle Iranian languages and survived up till about 1000 AD...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    Islam happened
    lol wut????????????????
    They got assimilated by Turkic tribes and later killed/destroyed by Mongolians what has islam to do with this?

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    The scale of genocide which occurred in the Kwarzemshah during 1219-1221 under the Mongol Armies was immense. Most the caucasoid type people which did exist there were either eradicated or absorbed with new mongol populations. Its for this reason why Hazaras and Uzbeks are hated by many Pashtuns to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    A very slow assimilation happened between the 2nd century and the Mongol conquest. The Turkic and Iranic elites were united, but the basic population were the Iranians. The Mongol conquest basically exterminated a majority of the Central Asian population, after the 13th century a rural peoples were settled Turks (mixed with Iranians), but the urban peoples were mostly Iranians (mixed with Turks). This was the situation in the beginning of the Soviet times. But Soviets created ethnic Turkic republics and these republics opressed and assimilated the Iranian (the Soviets called them: Tajik) minority.
    Do you think the Tajiks(Farsis) are their descendants? Are they "purely Iranic" or mixed with Turkic peoples because they seem to show minor Mongoloid(Turanid) admixture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo07 View Post
    The scale of genocide which occurred in the Kwarzemshah during 1219-1221 under the Mongol Armies was immense. Most the caucasoid type people which did exist there were either eradicated or absorbed with new mongol populations. Its for this reason why Hazaras and Uzbeks are hated by many Pashtuns to this day.
    Do you think the ruling Khwarezmshah dynasty during the Mongol invasion which was ruled by a Kypchak-Turkic elite was Caucasoid?

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    NORTH WEST CHINA Xinjiang was once Caucasian inhabited area=> Current population got ~50% Caucasian genes


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shah-Jehan View Post
    Do you think the Tajiks(Farsis) are their descendants? Are they "purely Iranic" or mixed with Turkic peoples because they seem to show minor Mongoloid(Turanid) admixture?
    Yes and Tajiks mixed with Turks and maybe Mongolians. They are mountain survivors of the medieval Iranian population of the plain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthAsian View Post
    NORTH WEST CHINA was once Caucasian inhabited area=> Current population got ~50% Caucasian genes

    They were populated by Tocharians though who were separate from Indo-Iranian people but, belonged to a closely related language family...These people are Iranic (Indo-Iranian)

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    The peoples were mainly East Iranid caucasoids like pashtuns. Also Turks are different looking then Mongols . Turkic tribes before the Mongol Horde invasions were an admixed people.

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