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IE remains found in Russia were mostly nordoid,the proto-greeks being IE were most likely also nordoid. What do you mean by "how did they arrive?" obviously not by cars and airplanes it makes perfect sense that Greeks came from the north just like all IE invaders to the balkans.
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The Nordicness of Greece is a remnant of German national socialism which claimed everything of higher importance to be German.
It's nonsense.
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Many people today who are Indo-European have different origins, the same can be true for the first IE who arrived in Greece. Even if we would assume that the Indo-europeans were nordids and they came from the Russian steppes, there is a lot of distance in between the Russian steppes and Greece with a great variety of people and cultures being in between them, given that they could have entered through Anatolia or the Balkans. Ancient migrations were gradual. As such, we can never be sure how the Indo-Europeans looked like. Especially not when they arrived in the Aegean region as proto-hellenes. It's a far bid to claim that proto-Hellenes were nordids. Royal remains of Myceneans (who are considered to speak a late proto-Greek language) show different racial types belonging to the Aegean region. The art in which they are depicted does not show nordid types either. Even so, most probably the Myceneans were already absorbed by indigenous Greeks by then. So perhaps it says little of the proto-hellenes which entered Greece.
We should distinguish between proto-Indo-Europeans(4th millenium BC), proto-hellenes (21 century BC), Ancient Greeks (as of 12 century BC). The latter having little to do with the first, since they were mostly indigenous.
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Thank you for this detailed analysis Sikeliot, even if people disagree with it, it still is a lot of work and interesting.
As far as "Aryans"- in fact, no one knows what they looked like (David Anthony doubts they looked like modern "Norse")- my guess is they were not radically different than Central Europeans or Northern Greeks. I don't think it's "nordicism" to claim they came from the North and may have been similar in phenotype to those who inhabited their area in the past and today- that is Scythians, Thracians- Romanians, Bulgarians etc. After all, those types are still present in Modern Greece- so why not?
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