Greek Phenotypes by Region.

[Ατομικιστής]

The Slavic look is mostly present in Southern Greece despite the fact that people consider Macedonia to be the core of it.
In my opinion,we should label IE Greeks as the original Greeks since they were the ones that brought the proto-Greek into what is nowdays called Greece.

Attic Greek was a corrupted version of original Greek,and that's behind the debate of whether Macedonians or Epirotans were Greek.
Macedonia and Epirus geographically are isolated and distinct from the Greek cities,hence the primitive form of their language and traditions.
Herodotus talks about king Kadmos etc.,which is a living proof that Athens,Aegean,Minoan etc. were a blend of people.
But Macedon and Epirus were Homeric traditionalist societies and the form of government was pure IE.
Women were held high in pre-democratic societies and that was present in Macedon let alone the Doric Sparta,which survived on strict racialism.

For me,the pure Greeks(to a large extent at least) can be found today in Epirus.
Macedonia is now inhabited by Greek settlers from Asia Minor(and we can't label those,since they lived there for centuries) and Hellenized Slavs(mostly of Bulgarian origin,judging by the toponyms).

After small trips I've made, Megara and Phokis are looking very IE Greek for my taste.

Cretan is pre-IE,same for Cyprus.

The Peloponese is full of Greeks of Slavic origin and some Semitic tribes too.

Thessaly is a good place to spot IE since Northern Epirotans relocated there after Gheg Albanians expanded southern after the Byzantine decline.
Thrace is inhabited by Hellenized Thracians for the most part and some Turkomans.

In general,Ionian islands and Epirus are the most IE Greek people for me.

[Sikeliot]

The Slavic look is mostly present in Southern Greece despite the fact that people consider Macedonia to be the core of it.
In my opinion,we should label IE Greeks as the original Greeks since they were the ones that brought the proto-Greek into what is nowdays called Greece.

My trouble is differentiating between appearances that are genuinely "Slavic" influenced versus the Aryan sort of look from the IE invasion, which would have come from what is now Russia/Ukraine area.

[Ατομικιστής]

And that's because Greek=tanned,East Med for the most part to the eyes of Western/Northern European/American.

[Sikeliot]

And that's because Greek=tanned,East Med for the most part to the eyes of Western/Northern European/American.

I don't see how that has any part in making it difficult for me to tell who looks Slavic vs who looks IE.

Either way, there is a strain in Greece reminiscent of Northeastern Europe, although it's hard to find anyone who looks like a pure Russian.

I find Cretans to look unique, they have their own Mediterranean looks.

[Sikeliot]

What I see is an East Nordid "Aryan" type element that is strong in Epirus and on the Ionian islands, that is seen throughout the mainland and even with some limited degree on the islands, but that is absent altogether in Cypriots. Going the other way, Cyprus has a strong Armenoid strain that is also faintly felt in the Dodecanese, but is almost absent on the mainland.

[Ατομικιστής]

It plays a part,because when you see round face,blond hair and blue/green eyes------>Slav.

[Hellenas]

Ridiculous!!! Sikeliot is a troll-internet-anthropologist, don't listen to him. His knowledge concerning racial anthropology based not on studies but on some pictures of Greeks he finds in the internet (Facebook), racial classification of Greeks by some morons of the Apricity and on the "Aryan-Nordic" fairy tales he reads from nazi and nordicist sites. You are a joke!!!

[Ατομικιστής]

I don't think Sikeliot's intentions are bad.
He doesn't live in Greece in the end,how could he know exactly what the people look like in detail?

[Hellenas]

East MediterranidsTypes like this pass everywhere from southern Italy to the Levant.

There is not any genetic cluster between Greeks and the Levant.

There is no East Mediterranean and West Mediterranean. That was from Lundman and these are his plate drawings:

East Mediterranean(i.e. Atlanto/Pontic):



Modeled on this:



West Mediterranean(i.e. Gracile Mediterranean):



Modeled on this:



He dropped his old scheme in the 1980's and went to using just Mediterranean.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape...2258&t=4959988

North Pontid-East Nordid influenced types -- "Aryan" look from the Russian steppes.

"Aryan" influenced types, mostly present in western Crete -- resembling, to some degree, people further north in Eastern Europe. This might represent the Dorian invasion of the island.

"Aryan" phenotypes -- representing the Indo-European migration that brought the Greek language to the islands. Resembles Slavic types but predates them.

Greek alphabet was in use at 6000 BC at the islet Yura of Northern Sporades
http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thre...et-use-6000-bc

"Aryan" phenotypes resembling those from Epirus -- Nordo-Pontid. Could pass as Ukrainian, Russian, or even Belarusian.

That's very nice, Russian Aryan Hellenes... How many times must be said to you until your little brain to get it that: THERE IS NOT ANY GENETIC CLUSTERING BETWEEN GREEKS AND ANY BALTIC POPULATION OR RUSSIANS!!!

Now on the "Aryan" term...

The Aryan race was a racial grouping commonly used in the period of the late 19th century to the mid 20th century to describe peoples of European and Western Asian heritage. It derives from the idea that the original speakers of the Indo-European languages and their descendants up to the present day constitute a distinctive race or subrace of the larger Caucasian race.[1]
While originally meant simply as a neutral ethno-linguistic classification, from the late 19th century onwards the concept of the Aryan race has been used by proponents of ideologically-motivated racism and white supremacism such as in doctrines of Nazism and neo-Nazism. Aryanism developed as a racial ideology that claimed that the Aryan race was a master race.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

"Aryan" /ˈɛərɪən/ is an English language loanword derived from the Sanskrit ārya ('noble').[1][2][3]
In present-day academia, the term "Aryan" has been replaced in most cases by the terms "Indo-Iranian" and "Indo-European", and "Aryan" is now mostly limited to its appearance in the term "Indo-Aryan" for Indic languages and their speakers.[2]
Western notions of an "Aryan race" rose to prominence in late-19th and early-20th century racialist thought, an idea most notably embraced by Nazi ideology (see master race). The Nazis believed that the "Nordic peoples" (who were also referred to as the "Germanic peoples") represent an ideal and "pure race" that was the purest representation of the original racial stock of those who were then called the Proto-Aryans.[4] The Nazis declared that the Nordics were the true Aryans because they claimed that they were more "pure" (less racially mixed with non-native Indo-European peoples) than other people of what were then called the Aryan people (now called the Indo-European people).[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan





Hitler lives on... and Sikeliot follows him.

Greek phenotypes by real Scientists:

THE ORIGIN OF THE HELLENES(Aris Poulianos)
http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thre...aris-poulianos

Morphological Types of Greeks(after J. Lawrence Angel)
http://dienekes.awardspace.com/texts...morphological/

Photos of Hellenes
http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thre...hotos-hellenes

[Styrian Mujo]

The Slavic look is mostly present in Southern Greece despite the fact that people consider Macedonia to be the core of it.
In my opinion,we should label IE Greeks as the original Greeks since they were the ones that brought the proto-Greek into what is nowdays called Greece.

Attic Greek was a corrupted version of original Greek,and that's behind the debate of whether Macedonians or Epirotans were Greek.
Macedonia and Epirus geographically are isolated and distinct from the Greek cities,hence the primitive form of their language and traditions.
Herodotus talks about king Kadmos etc.,which is a living proof that Athens,Aegean,Minoan etc. were a blend of people.
But Macedon and Epirus were Homeric traditionalist societies and the form of government was pure IE.
Women were held high in pre-democratic societies and that was present in Macedon let alone the Doric Sparta,which survived on strict racialism.

For me,the pure Greeks(to a large extent at least) can be found today in Epirus.
Macedonia is now inhabited by Greek settlers from Asia Minor(and we can't label those,since they lived there for centuries) and Hellenized Slavs(mostly of Bulgarian origin,judging by the toponyms).

After small trips I've made, Megara and Phokis are looking very IE Greek for my taste.

Cretan is pre-IE,same for Cyprus.

The Peloponese is full of Greeks of Slavic origin and some Semitic tribes too.

Thessaly is a good place to spot IE since Northern Epirotans relocated there after Gheg Albanians expanded southern after the Byzantine decline.
Thrace is inhabited by Hellenized Thracians for the most part and some Turkomans.

In general,Ionian islands and Epirus are the most IE Greek people for me.

The question is where the fuck are the Greeks