Greek Phenotypes by Region.

[kabeiros]

The Greeks wich invaded the Balkans were mostly of Nordid-Aryan racial type this cannot be denied. Greek invaders did not kill off the pre-Hellenic population of southern Balkans but merged with them.

Bullshit! We don't have any proof about their looks and we don't know where they came from

[Styrian Mujo]

Bullshit! We don't have any proof about their looks and we don't know where they came from

IE have origins in eastern Europe from where they expanded and mixed with varius peoples from Iceland to India, knowing this dosen't make you any less Greek.

[kabeiros]

IE have origins in eastern Europe from where they expanded and mixed with varius peoples from Iceland to India, knowing this dosen't make you any less Greek.

I won't feel less Greek if what you claim turns to be true but I reject your certainty

[Styrian Mujo]

The Greeks were/are natives, they never invaded the Balkans(that's the place where they formed as a race, as well as in the Aegean region and Anatolia), they just moved from northern Greece(the north) to southern Greece.

"Early anthropologists commonly believed that the Hellenes belonged principally to the Mediterranean(a) race. This was the view shared by Sergi [1] and Ripley [2]. In a more recent study of the problem of Race, John R. Baker in [5] says that later studies “do not appear to have disproved” these views."

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/hellenes/

They cannot be native unless IE originated in Greece, furthermore I don't care what 19. century anthropologists say.

[Dianatomia]

The Greeks wich invaded the Balkans were mostly of Nordid-Aryan racial type this cannot be denied. Greek invaders did not kill off the pre-Hellenic population of southern Balkans but merged with them.

We don't know exactly how they looked like. That is, we don't know how they arrived in Greece. It is up for scientific debate. And I would not call them Greeks, rather proto-Hellenic tribes. As a whole the Greeks were mostly native.

[Styrian Mujo]

We don't know exactly how they looked like. That is, we don't know how they arrived in Greece. It is up for scientific debate. And I would not call them Greeks, rather proto-Hellenic tribes. As a whole the Greeks were mostly native.

IE remains found in Russia were mostly nordoid,the proto-greeks being IE were most likely also nordoid. What do you mean by "how did they arrive?" obviously not by cars and airplanes it makes perfect sense that Greeks came from the north just like all IE invaders to the balkans.

[Ατομικιστής]

The Nordicness of Greece is a remnant of German national socialism which claimed everything of higher importance to be German.
It's nonsense.

[kabeiros]

IE remains found in Russia were mostly nordoid,

How do you know that they spoke an IE language? Did they find any IE texts with this remains?

the proto-greeks being IE were most likely also nordoid.

Because you accepted as a divine truth the above hypothesis of nordoid IE remains in Russia

[Dianatomia]

IE remains found in Russia were mostly nordoid,the proto-greeks being IE were most likely also nordoid. What do you mean by "how did they arrive?" obviously not by cars and airplanes it makes perfect sense that Greeks came from the north just like all IE invaders to the balkans.

Many people today who are Indo-European have different origins, the same can be true for the first IE who arrived in Greece. Even if we would assume that the Indo-europeans were nordids and they came from the Russian steppes, there is a lot of distance in between the Russian steppes and Greece with a great variety of people and cultures being in between them, given that they could have entered through Anatolia or the Balkans. Ancient migrations were gradual. As such, we can never be sure how the Indo-Europeans looked like. Especially not when they arrived in the Aegean region as proto-hellenes. It's a far bid to claim that proto-Hellenes were nordids. Royal remains of Myceneans (who are considered to speak a late proto-Greek language) show different racial types belonging to the Aegean region. The art in which they are depicted does not show nordid types either. Even so, most probably the Myceneans were already absorbed by indigenous Greeks by then. So perhaps it says little of the proto-hellenes which entered Greece.

We should distinguish between proto-Indo-Europeans(4th millenium BC), proto-hellenes (21 century BC), Ancient Greeks (as of 12 century BC). The latter having little to do with the first, since they were mostly indigenous.

[Scholarios]

Thank you for this detailed analysis Sikeliot, even if people disagree with it, it still is a lot of work and interesting.

As far as "Aryans"- in fact, no one knows what they looked like (David Anthony doubts they looked like modern "Norse")- my guess is they were not radically different than Central Europeans or Northern Greeks. I don't think it's "nordicism" to claim they came from the North and may have been similar in phenotype to those who inhabited their area in the past and today- that is Scythians, Thracians- Romanians, Bulgarians etc. After all, those types are still present in Modern Greece- so why not?