"Only 3.6% of Filipinos have ANY European DNA"

[clete27]

There's a big myth going around that only 3.6% of Filipinos have European ancestry. I see it quoted all over the internet and I used to say it myself because I believed it. But then I actually read the study where the myth originated. Here it is…
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...6/?tool=pubmed

The study was about paternal lineage in SEAsia & the Pacific. They found that 1 out of the 28 Filipinos they tested (3.6%) had a European paternal haplogroup. Somehow that got misinterpreted to mean that only 3.6% of Filipinos have European ancestry period. There is no way that’s true because I’ve personally looked at 55 Filipino ancestry compositions and 45 (81%) have at least .1% European in the conservative estimate. All of these individuals are "full" Filipino in the sense that all 4 of their grandparents were born in the Philippines. And all 55 of these individuals were born in the Philippines. I calculated the median amount of European ancestry using these 55 individuals. I used median instead of average because the average amounts were skewed by very high percentages

Median percentage of European:
Conservative- 0.8%
Standard- 1.0%
Speculative- 1.4%

So instead of saying "most Filipinos have no European ancestry at all" we should say "most Filipinos have just a drop of European blood"

To say “only 3.6% of Filipinos have European ancestry” is very far from the truth. According to my numbers, 3.6% of the Filipino population is at least 33% European. Those are the true mestizos. Anything below 33% European is insignificant

[Amud]

Thank you for clarifying. I have been confused about this myself. I recently talked to someone who was half white and half Filipino. I was wondering if I should consider him to be more than 50% Caucasian, but chances are that he is right around 50% with a fairly negligible degree of uncertainty. I also found it interesting that he appeared to be more than 50% Mongoloid, perhaps 75% if not 100%. Malay genes could be more "dominant"?

[clete27]

^ You can look at his Filipino parent and get an idea of how much European he/she has, but sometimes phenotype won't reveal much

For instance, on 23andme, this lady is 10% European, but doesn't look like it at all


this lady is 0.7% European but looks like many half-Filipinos I know


So far, this is the most European "full" Filipino I've seen, 40% European. But he could pass as just a regular Filipino


But then there are also Filipino mestizos who look pure white.

You should also remember that Filipinos have varying degrees of Australoid and Chinese ancestry, so that further complicates things

[Prisoner Of Ice]

I think we should bring this over to the spain jewishness thread.

[Amud]

Hey Melonhead, hate to get off topic, but I'm assuming you are a fellow proponent of Edenism, right?

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Hey Melonhead, hate to get off topic, but I'm assuming you are a fellow proponent of Edenism, right?

What is edenism?

[Amud]

The whole Neanderthal / Melonhead theories popularized by Vault-Co and Koanic Soul.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Oh, right. I know what guy you are talking about.

I don't believe much of what the koanic soul guy says. With Cleve I believe some of it but he quickly goes into shapeshifting alien territory if you read enough.

Unlike them, I don't agree that cro magnon came out of africa. SSA have nothing similar to cromag, the only ones similar in africa obviously came from european migrations in the first place. Cromag is just neanderthal mixed with peking man. That's what the Amud skulls show...they are obviously a neanderthal hybrid.

Here's a dump of some links, one of them shows how the skulls in east africa obviously came from europe. Out of africa is pure BS and cleve's ramblings about cromagnons center around it. I don't think that anything but the extreme climate wiped out neanderthals...they were not really wiped out at all.

If you have 2% of your dna being neanderthal specific it means your ancestry was way more than 2%. There's not even 2% africa specific DNA in existence. So how can we have evolved in africa? We didn't.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...79#post2160679

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...an-populations


Evidence that dozens of hominids contributed to human DNA. All african populations show evidence of migration into africa. No population shows evidence of migration out of africa.
"We detect likely West Eurasian gene flow into the ancestors of Yoruba West Africans within the last ten thousand years, which indirectly contributed a small amount of Neandertal ancestry to Yoruba."

"These results mean that we have not identified any sub-Saharan African sample that we are confident has no evidence of back-to-Africa migration. Our best candidate at present is the Dinka but it is possible that with a phased genome or large sample sizes we would detect evidence of non-African ancestry in this population as well."

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12...mountains.html


Oldest mtdna divide for humans in EUROPE.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12...tdna-from.html


OoA was supposed to happen 50k years ago but we have genetically sequenced very modern east asians in beijing at 40k years ago.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/01...yuan-cave.html


Upper Paleolithic fossils go TO african from arabia, not the other way around. The paper's author himself talks in detail about driving around and digging and finding more modern tools towards arabia. That culture probably is influenced/spawned from aurignacian, even further off in europe or iran.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12...lithic-in.html

In same vein, nubian complex (often pointed to as africa) is obviously exotic to africa.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07...al-arabia.html

Here we date someone's remains at 42k+ years. This is related to above item, IE we are seeing intrusion into africa at the same time we are supposed to see big migrations out of africa.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/search?...&by-date=false

Dogs were domesticated in Europe. By the dates given, by neanderthals. Note that only europids really like dogs, too.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/11...ated-dogs.html


This alone is enough to kill out of africa. Last video shows that pygmies in africa intermixed with an archaic hominid that has no genes outside of africa 100K years ago. This means that rhodiensiensis in south africa is nothing at all to do with human evolution, and it also means that modern humans did not arrive in africa until 100k years ago or so. It also shows that neanderthal are at the root for many cladal gene structures, just not the ones for y-dna and mtdna. This is impossible for any OoA scenario.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/08...gin-of-us.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvoiPUHfOXI


North Africans...came from Iberia.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07...maurusian.html
And some genetic evidence to back it up.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12...h-african.html

Interestingly, data supports san coming TO africa as easily as FROM africa.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/06...ration-to.html

And combined with this which shows lots of intermixing with eurasia, it's confirmed they had eurasian admixture before they got to africa (this is from populations with no exposure outside their little tribes until very recently, who remain pure).
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07...e-san-via.html

Forested Nkongho-Mbo pygmie region source of y-dna A00, so called oldest human y-dna. Which is also a hotspot for r1b admixture from europe. 9/13 A00 were actually found in france in seeming non-africans, but it's been labeled as african anyhow.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07...0-project.html

Modern humans have been in china have been dated to around 100k years ago, making any recent out of africa hypothesis implausible.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07...rn-humans.html

Here is typical OoA enthusiast. Accuses someone of racism and falsifying data, and then is caught falsifying data himself. Is not a real scientist at all, just an idiot with a political agenda.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/06...rtongould.html

As well as having much bigger brains than people today, neanderthals could talk.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12...ould-talk.html

Here's another one that, all on its own, debunks out of africa. As early as 12k years ago, fossils in sub saharan africa show no signs of modernity, and are much less modern than much older fossils in east africa and outside of africa. The "failed out of africa" skulls from middle east 90k years ago also show striking similarity to upper paleolithic european skulls (and metrically are a hybrid between neanderthal and modern europeans). So the further from africa you get the more like modern humans the skulls look!
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/09...-features.html

30-40k BC neanderthal-modern hybrid found, genetically sequenced. Since we have actually found one, obviously it happened all the time and wasn't a one time thing. This also happened in italy, destroying the silly theories that it was some one time event in levant during a mythical out of africa mass migration.
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/first...ug=sciencemain

Humans genetically closer to gorillas than chimps. All fossils we have in africa for human chimp common ancestor are therefore invalid. No such animal exists. True human chimp ancestor is likely 20 million years old.
http://www.nature.com/news/gorilla-j...e-club-1.10185

the study of modern populations has revealed evidence for both archaic African, and -more recently and surprisingly- even a little archaic Eurasian ancestry in virtually all Sub-Saharan Africans. Populations from one of the presumed cradles of H. sapiens (Eastern Africa) are now conclusively known to be recent mixtures of West Eurasians, and even the Bushmen of southern Africa, the subject of so many TV documentaries as an exemplum of the ur-Humans did not escape this admixture.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2014/01...year-2014.html

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Of course I have a very strong cromag face (though with neanderthal body and some facial features of neanderthal) and constant frown, so according to them I am most evil person ever.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Also, it's very possible cromag 1 skull is a modern skull anyway. Metrically it's just like skulls of french during the 1800s, and a piece of bone found near it turned out to be only a few hundred years old. It's as modern as modern gets, and I find it had to accept it's 30k years old as nothing else at that time is so clearly modern.

Even grimaldi man looks more primitive and it is very continuous with alpinid people.