Is Haplogroup I-M170 a white haplogroup

[Smeagol]

Well R1a is pretty common in Jews. Not J common, but common. ~8-13%.

Yes, but it's ultimate origin is either Eastern Europe, or Central Asia.

[Loki]

Looks less likely than it used to, since farming came to south greece long before it came to central europe, and much sooner.

It was in Egypt before it was in Greece. Greece owes Egypt a lot. Bearers of E1b1b in both cases.

What were the Phoenicians, I wonder? Probably also borrowed from Egypt.

[Longbowman]

Looks less likely than it used to, since farming came to south greece long before it came to central europe, and much sooner.

I doubt I is most ancient in europe, too. Regardless it can't be any older than J or K because they all stem from IJK. Probably from greece.

If your ancestors lived in small town white european areas until recently you probably are mostly r1b and r1b, not even necessarily any I.

I don't know, but if I had to guess I'd say R1a.

Sorry but this is all incorrect.

I probably did enter Europe through Greece. It got here first. It wins.

Farming came to Greece at the same time E1b1b appears there. Hence the supposition that E1b1b (possibly with some help from J2 and G) brought agriculture. Agriculture seems to have spread with E1b1b which is found at low levels throughout Europe and high levels in the Balkans.

You're wrong about the small towns thing. I is commoner in small towns here than is R.

Yes, as a European you're likely to be R. If not R, then I; if not I, then E1b1b.

[Loki]

Yes, but it's ultimate origin is either Eastern Europe, or Central Asia.

Or India.

[Longbowman]

Yes, but it's ultimate origin is either Eastern Europe, or Central Asia.

Obviously. The Jews aren't a purely Levantine race. They're primarily European if you believe mainstream genetic studies.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Well R1a is pretty common in Jews. Not J common, but common. ~8-13%.

I am a J here of J2 clade.

[Longbowman]

I am a J here of J2 clade.

Commiserations. We can't all be E1b1b.

Very Eastern Mediterranean!

[Prisoner Of Ice]

It was in Egypt before it was in Greece. Greece owes Egypt a lot. Bearers of E1b1b in both cases.

What were the Phoenicians, I wonder? Probably also borrowed from Egypt.

No...that's not true at all. Egypt is much later than the mycenaen greeks, and they were not even the first greek culture. Greece had farming 7500 years ago according to latest archaeology.

Egypt is really pretty new as far as ancient civilizations go. Pyramids are about 4k years old and that is VERY new.

Megalithic period is way, way older than egypt and in many ways probably more advanced. Malta, Ireland, North Africa, France, mycenaean greece (and sunken off the coast of egypt, as well). All these places built stuff that puts the pyramids to shame in many respects, both in overall size and in the size of individual blocks.

There's signs of ancient farming by the natufians 12k years ago in modern day israel and they were probably e1b, though. But there's also sign of possible farming 14k years ago in anatolia, and 12K years ago in china. Looks more and more like Egyptian civilization actually got started in north africa right as the sahara was drying up and becoming a desert again. So I would not be sure that they were e1b originally at all (which probably originates in levant or somewhere even further into eurasia).

E1b is definitely not originally a "black" clade as it's only recently darkened up, but it's definitely not white in the sense we'd think of it, probably more "caucasoid". Of course if your ancestors lived in a black or white area long enough that's what you will end up.

[Loki]

E1b is definitely not originally a "black" clade as it's only recently darkened up, but it's definitely not white in the sense we'd think of it, probably more "caucasoid". Of course if your ancestors lived in a black or white area long enough that's what you will end up.

Yeah, and none of our ancestors were "white" if you go back far enough. Looked probably Khoisanid.

[Longbowman]

No...that's not true at all. Egypt is much later than the mycenaen greeks, and they were not even the first greek culture. Greece had farming 7500 years ago according to latest archaeology.

Egypt is really pretty new as far as ancient civilizations go. Pyramids are about 4k years old and that is VERY new.

Megalithic period is way, way older than egypt and in many ways probably more advanced. Malta, Ireland, North Africa, France, mycenaean greece (and sunken off the coast of egypt, as well). All these places built stuff that puts the pyramids to shame in many respects, both in overall size and in the size of individual blocks.

There's signs of ancient farming by the natufians 12k years ago in modern day israel and they were probably e1b, though. But there's also sign of possible farming 14k years ago in anatolia, and 12K years ago in china. Looks more and more like Egyptian civilization actually got started in north africa right as the sahara was drying up and becoming a desert again. So I would not be sure that they were e1b originally at all (which probably originates in levant or somewhere even further into eurasia).

E1b is definitely not originally a "black" clade as it's only recently darkened up, but it's definitely not white in the sense we'd think of it, probably more "caucasoid". Of course if your ancestors lived in a black or white area long enough that's what you will end up.

E1b is originally African. Only certain northern clades are white or Caucasian.

The sunken ruins off Egypt's coast are ancient Egyptian - these ruins have simply been claimed by shifting coastlines.

As for the rest, yes, farming started out a few thousand years before Europe in a couple of places. However, the wisdom on the subject is when it arrived in Europe around 5,500BC it came to the Balkans via Anatolia via E1b1b and possibly J and G, too. E1b1b managed to establish itself across Europe spreading agriculture.