Easter Island heads have bodies

[Longbowman]

Ah, Thor Heyerdahl

Certainly a brave explorer, and important figure in anthropology, but he couldn't have been more wrong about Easter Island.

[KidMulat]

No I am sure they are black people who learned farming 10k years ago like the papau new guineans. Not everything is about race, in fact aside to tards like you very little is.

Olmecs are pretty interesting too, there seems to have been a megalithic black empire in south america at some point, maybe that meets more with your approval.

During the British Colonial period race was everything, it is not an exaggeration to make the stamens I wrote above. We have a dirth of evidence to support that; an entire book chronologically speaks period by period in Foreign Bodies Oceania and the Science of Race speaking on British views of Oceanic people from contact until the 20th century.

We know that the British Mythology of a dark primitive people being conquered (thanks to the British literally sending a boat of Maori warriors to kill them); we have the written record on my side much to you chagrin that speaks on such drivel.

That being said the Moriori like the Easter Islanders were not some foriegn race that were unlike the Hawaiians or Samoans or Tongans but completely within the spectrum of Austroneasian and Papuan expansions into the Pacific with possible Andean influences that at this point can not be substantiated save for the evidence of Sweet Potato.

Secondly this Old World centrality needs to end, I reject the idea that African and European foriegners before the Vikings bringing any sort of major population, cultural or linguistic shift to AmerInd populations.
To say so is to continue the belief that AmerInd people or Polynesian people were unable to articulate, modify and construct the hallmarks of hierarchal society you and most others laud as some mark of superiority in this world.

Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me.

[Longbowman]

During the British Colonial period race was everything, it is not an exaggeration to make the stamens I wrote above. We have a dirth of evidence to support that; an entire book chronologically speaks period by period in Foreign Bodies Oceania and the Science of Race speaking on British views of Oceanic people from contact until the 20th century.

We know that the British Mythology of a dark primitive people being conquered (thanks to the British literally sending a boat of Maori warriors to kill them); we have the written record on my side much to you chagrin that speaks on such drivel.

I agree with the second half but this is slander. The Maori weren't sent by the British (to the Cook Islands) they went of their own accord. Why would Britain give two hoots about Maori slave raids? As it happens Britain stopped the Maori slave trade.

As for your dearth of evidence; race was very important but the axle upon which the Empire spun was, of course, money.

[KidMulat]

I agree with the second half but this is slander. The Maori weren't sent by the British (to the Cook Islands) they went of their own accord. Why would Britain give two hoots about Maori slave raids? As it happens Britain stopped the Maori slave trade.

As for your dearth of evidence; race was very important but the axle upon which the Empire spun was, of course, money.

*sigh*

http://books.google.com/books?id=klg...oriori&f=false

[Longbowman]

*sigh*

http://books.google.com/books?id=klg...oriori&f=false

The Lord Rodney had been commandeered. Nowhere even in your text does it suggest otherwise.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I saw a documentary on them that was interesting and disturbing.

Turns out that there's practically a continent worth of land around easter island that is under relatively shallow water. During colder times the sea level is about 200 feet lower than in historic times, and all this land would have been above water for thousands of years.

The people on the island when they found it were supposedly of three separate tribes and some of them had pretty european features such as red or blonde hair. Their theory is that the watchers were there to hold back the water, and this dying civilization spent all its time trying to build these magic figures to hold back the rising water. Of course, it didn't work all that well but it explains how the heck it's possible to have so many huge statues on such a remote island which can support so few people.

So your 145 IQ isn't going waste after all.

Great explanation.

[Longbowman]

They devastated their land with these things. It's not the quarrying but the erection of the damned statues that ruined the island. Basically instead of going to war or whatever, clans would erect statues to show off wealth and power, and to do so they needed a lot of logs to move the statue from the quarry, which lead to 100% deforestation by 1600, and thus complete destruction of their own land. They impoverished themselves, suffered dramatic population collapse, and later Peruvians enslaved 2,000 of them. Then the UK and others forced them to return the slaves, but all but 11 had died, and one of these had contracted smallpox, and this was introduced to the population. At one point there were only 36 of them left.

The thing about Europeans isn't based on genetic, skeletal or phenotypical evidence though, it's just something Heyerdahl postulated because he was a racist and for some reason, putting up some stupid statues requires too much brainpower for a non-White. Even though the Rapa Nuians done goofed by putting them up.

Rapa Nui, island of ghosts

[KidMulat]

The Lord Rodney had been commandeered. Nowhere even in your text does it suggest otherwise.

The Rodney according to researchers was not "commandeered"

We find that, on the 7th November, the Maoris were watering the vessel, and between that date and the morning of November 14, 1835, at 5 a.m., when the Rodney sailed for the Chatham Islands, the Maoris were putting their potatoes and seed on board,—a quantity estimated at 70 tons,—although that could scarcely have occupied all the time. The day before leaving, so many Maoris crowded on board who wished to go, that there was no room to work the ship. She finally took away about 500 souls all told, including women and children; after having landed a large number of others at Evans' Bay. These latter people took the second mate ashore with them, fearing that the captain might not return, according to agreement, to to take the next shipload, unless they held a hostage. According to the Captain's statement, this was nearly coming to pass, on his return
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after landing the first party of Maoris at Whangaroa Harbour in the island. It is stated that he only fulfilled his agreement on the assurance of his trading-master, that if he did not return the life of the second mate would certainly be forfeited.

http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/docume...d,_p154-163/p1

The captain knew these people had plans to kill the Moriori because as the the losing clans of the Musket Wars their plans were to attack, enslave and take over the lands of weaker, unarmed tribes and clans; originally the plans were to go to South Island but as the maori deckhands learned of the Chathams islands the decision was made to settle there.


To say the Brtish had no clue the Maori were going to kill the Moriori after already observing some 30 years of clan warfare is to really try and paint the British in some naive light. Like really Longbow :-/

[Longbowman]

The Rodney according to researchers was not "commandeered"


http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/docume...d,_p154-163/p1

The captain knew these people had plans to kill the Moriori because as the the losing clans of the Musket Wars their plans were to attack, enslave and take over the lands of weaker, unarmed tribes and clans; originally the plans were to go to South Island but as the maori deckhands learned of the Chathams islands the decision was made to settle there.


To say the Brtish had no clue the Maori were going to kill the Moriori after already observing some 30 years of clan warfare is to really try and paint the British in some naive light. Like really Longbow :-/

Like really KidMulat, you always blame the West. Even this source only demonstrates one Briton knowing or caring what was going on. I'm not going to pretend the British got all up in arms at the bloodshed, but saying 'they sent a boat full of them' is just a lie. Basically the Maoris killed the Maorioris. But as the British were in the area, it's their fault, right? Even though I bet the authorities in Wellington couldn't have cared less.

[KidMulat]

Like really KidMulat, you always blame the West. Even this source only demonstrates one Briton knowing or caring what was going on. I'm not going to pretend the British got all up in arms at the bloodshed, but saying 'they sent a boat full of them' is just a lie. Basically the Maoris killed the Maorioris. But as the British were in the area, it's their fault, right? Even though I bet the authorities in Wellington couldn't have cared less.

So the fact that the Maori before the British had no clue about the Chathams islands, only learned about it as deckhands on British boats, and were sent there knowing full well what they were going to do shows nothing on the part of the British? The land and people were under the authority and control of the king as such yes they were responsible for their subjects and let them die at the hands of other people who because of the Musket/Potato War were defeated and forced to flee.

This is not to say the Maori are guiltless, they most certainly are to blame for the killings but the British literally created the environment of tribal arm races and Chatham "discovery", don't be so naive because at the end of the day the Musket Wars which were encouraged by the British left the land free for the taking for their own enterprise and people.