Do other germanic countries view england as a germanic country?

[Longbowman]

Well the two often travel together, for example you might get culture, language and ethnicity all travelling together, and when it's just heavy influence of a language/culture on an unchanged people (who still hold their ethno-cultural identity) you usually get heavy superficial influence but the fundamental structure remains what it was, or you get the formation of creole languages and cultures. Clearly Brythonic people became Anglo-Saxons, but they assimilated pretty much completely, so genetics would really be the only major thing that defined them differently. Or from an archaeological perspective the occasional survival of some Celtic or Romano-British practice such as weaving style or elements of metalworking, although they tend to be quite uncommon, they are there to be seen. The Anglo-Saxons effectively formed a society in which the assimilation was almost all from Brythonic to Anglo-Saxon. If the Britons had maintained the upper hand and had remained the dominant ethno-cultural group, people here would rather be Brythonic in pretty much every respect but with some Germanic ancestry and the odd cultural thing here and there. Or potentially a Creole of the two could have formed, which would be truly Celto-Germanic.

Except Germanic nations are German-speaking nations. No one considers the Crimea to be Germanic, even though it used to be. If this thread were 'do other Germanic nations consider the English to be their genetic cousins' then some of the responses would be appropriate.

[Jackson]

Except Germanic nations are German-speaking nations. No one considers the Crimea to be Germanic, even though it used to be. If this thread were 'do other Germanic nations consider the English to be their genetic cousins' then some of the responses would be appropriate.

Well, if they were still speaking a form of German today, and had culture and genes to go with it then we would.

Well English can be regarded as a German language, if you take only the broad definition (in which pretty much all West Germanic languages are included).

[Stears]

Only British people were who could rival with Hungarians in the contribution in science and technology between 1840-1945 period. (If you consider the difference between the size of the two popultions)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science...ogy_in_Hungary

I believe that, Without dominant germanic genetics, the English population would be darker pigmented and less intelligent. It would have been a smaller island version of celtic France.... Without germanic blood England would be similar to neo-latino European countries, whose contribution in technology and science are signifficantly less important in the modern era.

[Longbowman]

Well, if they were still speaking a form of German today, and had culture and genes to go with it then we would.

Well English can be regarded as a German language, if you take only the broad definition (in which pretty much all West Germanic languages are included).

Thus were the Swedes to start speaking Finnic tomorrow they'd not be Germanic. Germanic nations are nations that speak Germanic languages.

English is a West Germanic language, as is Dutch, Frisian, Scots and Ulster Scots if you're Alex Salmond, Luxembourgish, Vilamovian, and the various German dialects. It isn't a German language though of course they have a shared ancestry.

The other surviving Germanic family is North Germanic, which is the Norse dialects of Danish, Nnyorsk, Bokmal, Swedish, and minor dialects, and the insular Norse varieties of Faroese and Icelandic.

No nation that doesn't speak one of these languages is regarded as Germanic, despite any genetic similarity they might have. On the other hand, anyone who does speak them is Germanic. Thus, people from the South Tyrol are Germanic, as are speakers of Danube Swabian or Walser German are Germanic when Sorbs and Walloons and Norse-Gaels aren't.

The only exceptions I can think of are the Ashkenazis and people who speak English-based creolles like the Jamaicans.

[Jackson]

Thus were the Swedes to start speaking Finnic tomorrow they'd not be Germanic. Germanic nations are nations that speak Germanic languages.

English is a West Germanic language, as is Dutch, Frisian, Scots and Ulster Scots if you're Alex Salmond, Luxembourgish, Vilamovian, and the various German dialects. It isn't a German language though of course they have a shared ancestry.

The other surviving Germanic family is North Germanic, which is the Norse dialects of Danish, Nnyorsk, Bokmal, Swedish, and minor dialects, and the insular Norse varieties of Faroese and Icelandic.

No nation that doesn't speak one of these languages is regarded as Germanic, despite any genetic similarity they might have. On the other hand, anyone who does speak them is Germanic. Thus, people from the South Tyrol are Germanic, as are speakers of Danube Swabian or Walser German are Germanic when Sorbs and Walloons and Norse-Gaels aren't.

The only exceptions I can think of are the Ashkenazis and people who speak English-based creolles like the Jamaicans.

Yes exactly.

[Celxon]

*a whole thread of people confusing a linguistic designation for an ethnic one*

It's a universal phenomenon. It's prevalent in the non-forum world.

[Celxon]

Yes, it is correct on genetical point of view. English people have just a very slim celtic influence.

For example: the Bavarians have more celtic genetic background than average English people.

Bavarians aren't the same ethnicity as British Isles "Celts". They share ancestral cultural ties, though. The British and Irish "Celts" received their culture and language from people whose genes had little impact on them. Few continental Celts settled in the British Isles.

[Neon Knight]

Only British people were who could rival with Hungarians in the contribution in science and technology between 1840-1945 period. (If you consider the difference between the size of the two popultions)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science...ogy_in_Hungary

I believe that, Without dominant germanic genetics, the English population would be darker pigmented and less intelligent. It would have been a smaller island version of celtic France.... Without germanic blood England would be similar to neo-latino European countries, whose contribution in technology and science are signifficantly less important in the modern era.

Without the AngloSaxon input the English would be like central/north-eastern Scots - just as light on average but with more red hair. And no less intelligent!

[meAyin-sixteen]

*a whole thread of people confusing a linguistic designation for an ethnic one*

So true!

People are so easily duped! Where did the tradition of eating pork and sauerkraut come from?

We know that some of them (Anglo-Saxon kings and warriors) even had coronets and pig's-head emblems on their coats of arms (only to be replaced by dragons and flying snakes later; cf. D. lcke)

http://slothstreet.files.wordpress.c...D500%26h%3D420

What's most shocking is... The German archeologists discovered the king Schweinsteiger´ family crest and name engraved on a wall near Stonehenge ..

[Longbowman]

So true!

People are so easily duped! Where did the tradition of eating pork and sauerkraut come from?

We know that some of them (Anglo-Saxon kings and warriors) even had coronets and pig's-head emblems on their coats of arms (only to be replaced by dragons and flying snakes later; cf. D. lcke)

http://slothstreet.files.wordpress.c...D500%26h%3D420

What's most shocking is... The German archeologists discovered the king Schweinsteiger´ family crest and name engraved on a wall near Stonehenge ..

King Pigherder, family crests in the first Millennium - sorry, I don't think so you've made all that up.

Although it would easy to carve your name into anything once you owned the place.