Ancient Greece = A Somalid civilization?

[Kelmendasi]

Ev13 is split from the main Somalian branch actually and expanded northwards starting from some 20k years ago.

Nope, E-V13 originates in the Balkans during the late Neolithic within the Cardial/Impresso culture. It's ancestral clades were inhabiting the middle east and not north Africa.

[Sturmgewehr]

Actually Haplogroup E is most likely West Asian and it made its way back in Africa later, Haplogroup D is almost Exclusively Asian and almost totally absent in other places, Haplogroup D highest frequencies are only in East Asia, the Ainu of Japan, parts of Tibet and northern India.

Haplogroup D separated from Haplogroup DE, the division most probably happened in Western Asia and Haplogroup D moved east of Asia whereas Haplogroup E remained some in Asia some moved back in Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog..._migration.png

Also DE is thought to be of Euroasian Origin

Haplogroup D-M174 is believed to have originated in Asia some 60,000 years before present. While haplogroup D-M174 along with haplogroup E contains the distinctive YAP polymorphism (which indicates their common ancestry), no haplogroup D-M174 chromosomes have been found anywhere outside of Asia.

Source:
1. Shi H, Zhong H, Peng Y, et al. (2008)
2. Karafet TM, Mendez FL, Meilerman MB, Underhill PA, Zegura SL, Hammer MF (2008).

Haplogroup E, arose outside Africa. This model of geographical segregation within the CT clade requires just one continental haplogroup exchange (E to Africa), rather than three (D, C, and F out of Africa). The timing of this putative return to Africa, between the emergence of haplogroup E and its differentiation within Africa by 58 kya, is consistent with proposals, based on non–Y chromosome data, of abundant gene flow between Africa and Arabia 50–80 kya.

Source:
- Poznik, G David; et al. (2016)

A Eurasian center of origin and dispersal for haplogroup E has also been hypothesized based on the similar age of the clade's parent haplogroup DE and the mtDNA haplogroup L3. After an initial Out-of-Africa migration of early anatomically modern humans around 125 kya, fully modern human E-carrying males are thus proposed to have back-migrated from the paternal haplogroup's place of origin in Eurasia around 70 kya along with females bearing the maternal haplogroup L3, which is also thought to have originated in Eurasia. These new Eurasian lineages are then suggested to have largely replaced the old autochthonous male and female African lineages.

Source:
- Vicente M. Cabrera (2017)

Your sources are made up, outdated and ultimately shit.

[Kelmendasi]

Actually Haplogroup E is most likely West Asian and it made its way back in Africa later, Haplogroup D is almost Exclusively Asian and almost totally absent in other places, Haplogroup D highest frequencies are only in East Asia, the Ainu of Japan, parts of Tibet and northern India.

Haplogroup D separated from Haplogroup DE, the division most probably happened in Western Asia and Haplogroup D moved east of Asia whereas Haplogroup E remained some in Asia some moved back in Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog..._migration.png

Also DE is thought to be of Euroasian Origin









Your sources are made up, outdated and ultimately shit.

Yh the west Asian origin seems to be very plausible considering how D is only found in Asia.

[Sturmgewehr]

Yh the west Asian origin seems to be very plausible considering how D is only found in Asia.

it is all debatable depending on the techniques they use to define its frequency diversity and so on but no one really knows, I think from the evidence at hand that Haplogroups E most probably rose in west asia and moved back to Africa, Haplogroup DE is a lot younger than C which is its ancestor which is supposed to fit with the time of out of Africa migrations.

Also this:

In 2015 Poznik and Underhill have claimed haplogroup E, arose outside Africa. This model of geographical segregation within the CT clade requires just one continental haplogroup exchange (E to Africa), rather than three (D, C, and F out of Africa). The timing of this putative return to Africa, between the emergence of haplogroup E and its differentiation within Africa by 58 kya, is consistent with proposals, based on non–Y chromosome data, of abundant gene flow between Africa and Arabia 50–80 kya.

A Eurasian center of origin and dispersal for haplogroup E has also been hypothesized based on the similar age of the clade's parent haplogroup DE and the mtDNA haplogroup L3. After an initial Out-of-Africa migration of early anatomically modern humans around 125 kya, fully modern human E-carrying males are thus proposed to have back-migrated from the paternal haplogroup's place of origin in Eurasia around 70 kya along with females bearing the maternal haplogroup L3, which is also thought to have originated in Eurasia. These new Eurasian lineages are then suggested to have largely replaced the old autochthonous male and female African lineages.

Sources:
1. Poznik, G David; et al. "Punctuated bursts in human male demography inferred from 1,244 worldwide Y-chromosome sequences". Nature Genetics. 48: 593–599. (2016)
2. Vicente M. Cabrera (2017). "Carriers of mitochondrial DNA macrohaplogroup L3 basic lineages migrated back to Africa from Asia around 70,000 years ago".

[Böri]

Nope, E-V13 originates in the Balkans during the late Neolithic within the Cardial/Impresso culture. It's ancestral clades were inhabiting the middle east and not north Africa.

E-V13 is distinct from other branches of E, however that split from them. There is no problem about that. Don't forget that North Cameroon and Tchad people have R1b (same group as Irish).
E-V13 moved from the Horn and Red Sea region directly to southern Europe, without making the long journey of mankind (through Arabian peninsula, Iran, North India, S-E Asia, China, Siberia, Central Steppe). Another example is the pre-R1 haplogroup I.. That's paleolithic and native European. That split from J and went to Europe from West Asia.

[Kelmendasi]

E-V13 is distinct from other branches of E, however that split from them. There is no problem about that. Don't forget that North Cameroon and Tchad people have R1b (same group as Irish).
E-V13 moved from the Horn and Red Sea region directly to southern Europe, without making the long journey of mankind (through Arabian peninsula, Iran, North India, S-E Asia, China, Siberia, Central Steppe). Another example is the pre-R1 haplogroup I.. That's paleolithic and native European. That split from J and went to Europe from West Asia.

Im not concerned about racial problems or stuff like that. I'm just telling the facts. E-V13 itself originates in the Balkans within the Cardium/Impresso cultures as shown by how E-L618 was found in Neolithic Dalmatia and E-V13 was found in Neolithic Spain and both these samples were from the Cardium culture. E-V13 also reaches highest diversity in the border between Montenegro and Albania and not the horn region so it didn't expand from there. Plus there are multiple E-M78 and E-L618 samples from the Neolithic in central Europe which also suggests E-V13 having origin in the late Neolithic Europe. Even the ancestor of E-V13, E-L618, didn't come from the horn region. It came from the middle east probably Anatolia.

[Joso]

lol

[Oliver Tooth]

We wuz Greeks n shit. Gnomesayin?