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Switzerland doesn't belong to the EU.Originally Posted by Agent Smith
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It's not a full member, but it still pays it's dues to it and its borders are effectively open to all EU nations, which makes it effectively an EU country though it doesn't sit on any boards. Most laws that are enforced in the EU can also, through their agreements, be enforced in Switzerland.
"Free, do you call yourself? Then I would hear your ruling thought, and not merely that you have escaped from a yoke. Are you one of those who had the right to escape from a yoke? Many a one has cast away his last worth when he has cast away his servitude. Free from what? What does that matter to Zarathustra! But your fiery eyes should tell me: free for what?" - Thus Spoke Zarathustra
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Bollocks, and i can tell you by personal experience since i was there last year during the Euro2008. They have checkpoints unlike any EU country.
Because the Swiss wished so, it was not against their will lol.Most laws that are enforced in the EU can also, through their agreements, be enforced in Switzerland.
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Switzerland is a member of Schengen.
Coerced into voting in favor makes it just as much force as forcing it at gun-point.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
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Exactly. "Will of the people" my ass.
The European folk did NOT vote for this kind of tyranny.
"Free, do you call yourself? Then I would hear your ruling thought, and not merely that you have escaped from a yoke. Are you one of those who had the right to escape from a yoke? Many a one has cast away his last worth when he has cast away his servitude. Free from what? What does that matter to Zarathustra! But your fiery eyes should tell me: free for what?" - Thus Spoke Zarathustra
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They voted for closer cooperation between European countries and instead of that they got tyranny.
Coerced into signing over their rights as we were not allowed to read the small print. A lot of countries, like my own, didn't even get to vote when it came to the EEC/EU and it's results.
Parliament decided in our stead.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
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Lol.Originally Posted by Kadu
She's not silly you're just ignorant on the matter.
Yes I’m “ignorant” because I believe government should represent the wishes of the people……what a radical idea that is.....
The Swiss, as far as I am aware, like the British, French, Germans, Swedes, Dutch…..have never had their wishes over immigration respected. Yet they are supposed to “comply” when bigoted people like Ms Pillay insist they respect “liberty” and “human rights” when she speaks for regimes that have trampled “liberty” and “rights” into the dirt because it doesn’t suit their agenda.
Your statement is no more than using the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law, the Swiss haven’t banned Islam, they have banned a piece of architecture and taken a stand against a process of Islamisation imposed on their country without majority consent, unless you can show me where this consent was given?Please read my post above.
The very same people spouting off about liberty and democracy are the same people who have ignored what goes against their wishes.
I believe that legends and myth are largely made of
“truth”, and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear.
J.R.R. Tolkien
Indeed it might be a basic characteristic of existence that those who would know it completely would perish, in which case the strength of a spirit should be measured according to how much of the “truth” one could still barely endure-or to put it more clearly, to what degree one would require it to be thinned down, shrouded, sweetened, blunted, falsified.
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To God everything is beautiful, good, and just; humans, however, think some things are unjust and others just.
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Kadu (judging from his sentiments revealed in his signature pic)
is pro-imperialist.
Is it any wonder?
"Free, do you call yourself? Then I would hear your ruling thought, and not merely that you have escaped from a yoke. Are you one of those who had the right to escape from a yoke? Many a one has cast away his last worth when he has cast away his servitude. Free from what? What does that matter to Zarathustra! But your fiery eyes should tell me: free for what?" - Thus Spoke Zarathustra
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I can’t speak about Kadu, I don’t know him, but there are many who twist ideas to suit their own interests. There probably isn’t a week that goes by that some politician in Westminster doesn’t refer admiringly to “democracy” “rights” and “liberty” they stare into the camera without a hint of shame.Originally Posted by Agent Smith
Kadu (judging from his sentiments revealed in his signature pic)
is pro-imperialist.
Is it any wonder?
Yet where is their commitment to “democracy” when they ignore the majority wish to stop mass immigration?
Where is their commitment to “democracy” when they ignore the fact that the vast majority of people did not want government to sign the Lisbon Treaty?
Where is their commitment to “liberty” when they try to criminalise people for speaking out against Immigration or Islamic fundamentalism?
It’s conveniently ignored, dressed up as evasion in the name of “hate crimes” or the like, typical Orwellian double talk.
The Swiss have banned a piece of architecture (not the religion) and made a statement against a trend in their country they did not ask for and do not want to see. They could have gone further…..and that leads us to the question of whether people should respect the rights of those imposed upon them without consent?
When John Stuart Mill wrote On Liberty I doubt he had in mind 21st century multiracial, racially divided, socially fractured Britain, he was a smart man he probably would have understood that those very conditions will guarantee that democratic institutions and liberty seize to exist. As I have come to believe, and have yet to see evidence to the contrary, as a society becomes increasingly multiracial and/or multicultural it becomes increasingly less free, our government knows full well they operate against the wishes of the majority, their answer isn’t to respect those wishes it is to clamp down and impose the boot on the neck.
At least in Britain we’ve never had a “democracy” worth the name to lose but Switzerland seemed to be more enlightened, the Swiss should take the threat of people like Ms Pillay seriously because it is people like her that have added the links one at a time and the chain isn't far from completion. We will be slaves in the name of "democracy" and "liberty".
I believe that legends and myth are largely made of
“truth”, and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear.
J.R.R. Tolkien
Indeed it might be a basic characteristic of existence that those who would know it completely would perish, in which case the strength of a spirit should be measured according to how much of the “truth” one could still barely endure-or to put it more clearly, to what degree one would require it to be thinned down, shrouded, sweetened, blunted, falsified.
Nietzsche
To God everything is beautiful, good, and just; humans, however, think some things are unjust and others just.
Heraclitus
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True but only since 12 December 2008.
Coerced into voting in favor makes it just as much force as forcing it at gun-point.
Why coerced?
A piece of Architecture can be regulated through Urbanistic legislation it doesn't need a campaign of hatred.
It's not tyranny it's the safeguard of the individuals rights. Is the bill of rights alien to you?
Tyranny would be if they passed this ban, it would represent a step closer to the authoritarian theocratic states of the middle East.
It's in their constitution it's not even a international demand.
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