Are Montenegrins traitors?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Montenegrins are essentially Slavicized Albanians.

Phenotype, stature, behavior, some traditions, and history makes obvious they are Albanians in denial for most of the part.

[Chieftain]

Phenotype, stature, behavior, some traditions, and history makes obvious they are Albanians in denial for most of the part.

Not entirely, I believe that Montenegrins do have actually partially slavic blood, which may vary from a lot to a certain individual to none/unexistant in some, which happen to be considerable in number.

But slavs have always had the habbit of assimiliating other populations in close proximity, be them in this case the Illyrians in modern day Montenegro, plus let us not forget that there were practically no serbs in Montenegro before the forming of Yugoslavia, the Serbs today were just settlers brought by Serbia there.

A fine example of this is Marko Miljanov, probably the most known Montenegrin after Knjaz Nikolla, hailing from the highlands tribes that now serbs call 'Brda' clan of Kuci which I believe is completely albanian in blood but culturally slavicized:

Marko was born into a distinguished family in the village of Medun of the Kuči clan (in present-day Podgorica municipality, Montenegro), which at the time was independent from the Ottoman Empire as well as the direct rule of Petar II Petrović-Njegoš. He had a Montenegrin, Orthodox Christian father and an Albanian, Roman Catholic mother.

[Trun]

Some people on this forum say Macedonians are confused Bulgarians but there is a far greater difference between Macedonia and Bulgaria then there is between Serbia and Montenegro.

Really?

Montenegrins have had their own country and identity for quite longer than Macedonians. They might be a subgroup of Serbs but they are further away from other Serbs than Macedonians from the rest of Bulgarians.

[Hevo]

Montenegrins are essentially Slavicized Albanians.

Genetically Montenegrins cluster with other South-Slavic nations like Serbia according to MDLP calculator:

[1,] "Montenegrin" "0"
[2,] "Macedonian" "2.5239"
[3,] "Serbian" "4.0768"
[4,] "Bulgarian" "4.7529"
[5,] "Romania" "7.7576"
[6,] "Gagauz" "8.3504"
[7,] "German-South" "8.3714"
[8,] "Swiss" "9.3236"
[9,] "Italian_North" "10.3913"
[10,] "Bosnian" "10.6658"
[11,] "Provancal" "11.7712"
[12,] "Austrian" "12.302"
[13,] "German_V" "12.4511"
[14,] "Croatian" "12.4547"
[15,] "Hungarian" "12.7617"
[16,] "French" "12.8907"
[17,] "CEU" "14.2717"
[18,] "British" "14.4772"
[19,] "CEU_V" "14.5086"
[20,] "Slovenian" "15.5203"
[21,] "Welsh" "15.556"
[22,] "Orcadian" "16.3814"
[23,] "German" "16.9723"
[24,] "Norwegian_V" "17.8723"
[25,] "Italian-North" "17.9469"
[26,] "German-North" "18.0211"
[27,] "Ashkenazim_V" "18.1"
[28,] "Croatian_V" "18.2551"
[29,] "Portugese" "19.0421"
[30,] "Swedish" "19.6094"
[31,] "Czech" "19.7669"
[32,] "Spaniard" "19.8252"
[33,] "Iberian" "19.9387"
[34,] "Kosovar" "20.1668"
[35,] "Corsican" "21.1686"
[36,] "Slovakian" "21.5265"
[37,] "Swedish_V" "22.435"
[38,] "Greek_Center" "23.8168"
[39,] "Colville" "23.9719"
[40,] "Latvian_V" "24.1998"
[41,] "Puerto-Rican" "25.4629"
[42,] "Ukrainian-West" "25.9692"
[43,] "Tatar_Kryashen" "26.3004"
[44,] "Italian-Center" "26.338"

[Loki]

^ Interesting Hevo

[Loki]

Genetically Montenegrins cluster with other South-Slavic nations like Serbia according to MDLP calculator:

Bear in mind that even Serbs are partially Slavicized Illyrians. Especially Bosnians.

[DeaththeKid]

Seems stupid? Ever since they became independent they are gliding and succeding Economicaly. Weaken it? You are saying that Serbia with seacost can threaten the world
You have a severe case of Serbism

I never said Serbia with a sea coast can threaten the world. The West just likes harming Serbia to poke at Russia. And whatever you say the fact that they lost six hundred thousand people plus their sea coast does do them harm and does weaken them economically. I'm not saying Serbia with Montenegro would be a great power but it would be at least a little bit economically stronger. All nations desire a coast if they can get it just look at Bosnia with their little corridor through Croatia. And remember the Polish Corridor.

[Raikaswinþs]

I think there are not enough states in the Balcans. 4 or 5 more would be fine.

[Peyrol]

Genetically Montenegrins cluster with other South-Slavic nations like Serbia according to MDLP calculator:

Interesting the ''north italian'' match...probabily venetian, since Montenegro was a venetian colony and the same name is from the venetian word for ''black mountain''.

[Hevo]

Bear in mind that even Serbs are partially Slavicized Illyrians. Especially Bosnians.

Aye and unfortunately only the MDLP calculator has Montenegrin samples and not more up to date calculators like Eurogenes Eutest K13/V2 etc.:/ But it's still interesting.