Are Boshnjaci Illiri or Slavs?

[safinator]

It's very risky to equate I2a or any haplogroup with a specific ethnicity. For example, Drawing Live and another Albanian have it. Are they slavs? Whereas I don't (I2*) am I not slav?

Drawing Live isn't a slav but there's a good chance that the haplogroup he carries appeared in the Balkan with Slavic migrations.

[RandoBloom]

Drawing Live isn't a slav but there's a good chance that the haplogroup he carries appeared in the Balkan with Slavic migrations.

Why isnt that the most numerous happlogroup among slavs then? Why are Russians not I2ish? Or Ukrainians, Czechs? Belarussians?

[safinator]

Why isnt that the most numerous happlogroup among slavs then? Why are Russians not I2ish? Or Ukrainians, Czechs? Belarussians?

First of all Belarussians which are according to some the "Purest" Slavs carry I2a1b at 17% and remember that they have much more I2a1b in absolute number than anywhere in the Balkans, frequency isn't connected with point of origin, diversity is.

[RandoBloom]

First of all Belarussians which are according to some the "Purest" Slavs carry I2a1b at 17% and remember that they have much more I2a1b in absolute number than anywhere in the Balkans, frequency isn't connected with point of origin, diversity is.

How do people with 17% of it turn into a concentrate of 50-60+? And how is that slavic gene I2 a minority gene among pure slavic nations? Rather it is R1a that is most numerous and commong among slavs, from Russians to Czechs

[safinator]

How do people with 17% of it turn into a concentrate of 50-60+? And how is that slavic gene I2 a minority gene among pure slavic nations? Rather it is R1a that is most numerous and commong among slavs, from Russians to Czechs

I don't want to repeat myself, go take a look about the threads which discuss the I2a1b matter and you will see the arguments (Plenty) against it's presence in the Balkans before Slavic migrations.

[Stefan_Dusan]

How do people with 17% of it turn into a concentrate of 50-60+? And how is that slavic gene I2 a minority gene among pure slavic nations? Rather it is R1a that is most numerous and commong among slavs, from Russians to Czechs

It's very easy. Say there are 100 slavs in Ukraine, 20 of them have I2a and 80 of them have R1a. 10 of those Ukrainians decided to move to the Balkans. They take Balkan women and kill the men. Say out of those 10 Ukrainians who went, 7 of them were I2a and the rest were R1a. Very simple answer but you see how it's easy for it to happen.

Though I believe I2 came to Balkans before Slavs even existed. But maybe it came from Eastern European populations who would one day become Slavs.

[Black Wolf]

Illyrians were Germanic

Wrong.

[Cleitus]

Wrong.

Illyrians did come from Mähren to austria and later they did cam to the Balkan.

[Black Wolf]

Illyrians did come from Mähren to austria and later they did cam to the Balkan.

Well if Albanians are the best modern day proxy for Illyrians then the Illyrians certainly were not close to the Germanic peoples genetically.

[Cleitus]

Well if Albanians are the best modern day proxy for Illyrians then the Illyrians certainly were not close to the Germanic peoples genetically.

Albanians are Thracians with Germanic and celtic input(Dardanians).