Ukraine police storm main Kiev protest camp

[glass]

These money go to the Ukrainian oligarchy, which is mostly a Russian puppet. Not that potential European money won't go there as well.

But Europe can offer much more perspective. What will happen to Russia if suddenly the gas loses its price?

perpective can not feed your stomach and warm your house

[Acquisitor]

These money go to the Ukrainian oligarchy, which is mostly a Russian puppet. Not that potential European money won't go there as well.

But Europe can offer much more perspective. What will happen to Russia if suddenly the gas loses its price?

those are legitimate concerns.

but let see the reality: Ukraine had 23 years of being independent to improve its economy and to diversify it. And the country has failed.

so its forced to suck the old tit I'm afraid, luckily for Ukraine, the old tit is not only filled with milk, but is also willing to give some of it.

And no, I'm sure most of that money has not been stolen, Ukraine needed it badly, so there was no room to steal a large chunk of it.

[RussiaPrussia]

Police brutality is unjustifiable. Police is to protect people, not beat them.

Same happened in Bulgaria during protests against the government.

yeah and why is bulgaria ignored or not condemnd by EU? I tell ya because its not in russias sphere of influence

[Windischer]

perpective can not feed your stomach and warm your house

perspective means that stomach and warm house will happen in future, too, and it also means a lot at financial markets.

[Loki]

Police brutality is unjustifiable. Police is to protect people, not beat them.

Bullshit. This is a revolution, and it needs to be nipped in the bud.

So West is faulty while Russia, a failed corrupted state, is right? Most of all, it's Ukrainian people's choice whom to be with.

You're obviously a Russia-hater.

[Acquisitor]

perspective means that stomach and warm house will happen in future, too, and it also means a lot at financial markets.

imagine they say "lasha tumbai" (slang for Russia goodbye), what then ? they lose their exports, have an enormous debt and no economy.

this could lead to a civil war and millions of casualties, the 1917-1922 civil war in Ukraine showed just what could happen in the country. if you google for that war, you will see it, there is still a lot of hate there.

if they want closer relations with the EU then its their right, but seeking these relations now is a not a good idea since it would lead to unforeseen consequences

my two cents.

[Loki]

both west and russia are interfering in country whose thief-president turns coat and pulls ukraine deeper into debt, hoping he somehow comes out of this unscathed, while fanatic nationalist and fascist groups are playing at riots.

It's rather the other way around. The US and EU are interfering in Ukraine, and help to foment these riots, even financing it.

Yanukovic is the democratically elected leader of the country. So much better than Yuschenko.

[Windischer]

those are legitimate concerns.

but let see the reality: Ukraine had 23 years of being independent to improve its economy and to diversify it. And the country has failed.

so its forced to suck the old tit I'm afraid, luckily for Ukraine, the old tit is not only filled with milk, but is also willing to give some of it.

And no, I'm sure most of that money has not been stolen, Ukraine needed it badly, so there was no room to steal a large chunk of it.

ukraine is torn between eastern oligarchy with oriental ways and western ukrainian nationalism with not-much-less oriental ways, and minor separatists (subcarpathia). its a perpetual conflict, its hard for government to administer such state as the government itself is inevitably aligned with one of 2 major factions.
the best option would be division peaceful division of ukraine into 3-4 states (depends on crimea).

[Windischer]

It's rather the other way around. The US and EU are interfering in Ukraine, and help to foment these riots, even financing it.

Yanukovic is the democratically elected leader of the country. So much better than Yuschenko.

both are interfering, and am quite sure that ukrainian nationalists and fascists arent financed by the west because they despise it as much as russia.
they used protests only as an excuse to ramp up some testosterone and play at riots.

[Acquisitor]

ukraine is torn between eastern oligarchy with oriental ways and western ukrainian nationalism with not-much-less oriental ways, and minor separatists (subcarpathia). its a perpetual conflict, its hard for government to administer such state as the government itself is inevitably aligned with one of 2 major factions.
the best option would be division peaceful division of ukraine into 3-4 states (depends on crimea).

that could also easily lead to a civil war.