Most Archaic - Most Modern, European phenotype.

**Smeagol** · 02-19-2014, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior

and Lapponoids are heavy Asiatic influenced

Yes, the Lappid core type is intermediate between Europids, and Mongolids.

same could be said about Alpinids who came from Central Asia,

Wrong, Alpinoids are reduced Cromagnids. Cromagnids (Dalofaelid-Palaeatlantid-Brunn) are the indigenous European types.

**~~The Illyrian Warrior~~** · 02-19-2014, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Rhett Butler

Wrong, Alpinoids are reduced Cromagnids. Cromagnids (Dalofaelid-Palaeatlantid-Brunn) are the indigenous European types.

Debate about Alpinids origin still ain't closing case since follows with ongoing debates often with theories rather than an exact answers.

According to Ripley and Coon, the Alpine race is predominant in Central/Southern/Eastern Europe and parts of Western/Central Asia. Ripley argued that the Alpines had originated in Asia, and had spread westwards along with the emergence and expansion of agriculture, which they established in Europe. By migrating into central Europe, they had separated the northern and southern branches of the earlier European stock, creating the conditions for the separate evolution of Nordics and Mediterraneans. This model was repeated in Madison Grant's book The Passing of the Great Race (1916), in which the Alpines were portrayed as the most populous of European and western Asian races. However in Carleton Coon's rewrite of Ripley's The Races of Europe, he developed a different argument that they reduced the Upper Paleolithic survivors indigenous to Europe, based on prehistoric broad-headed crania unearthed at Grenelle, France, and the findings at Furfooz in the Belgian province of Namur:
...Alpine: A reduced and somewhat foetalized survivor of the Upper Palaeolithic population in Late Pleistocene France, highly brachycephalized; seems to represent in a large measure the bearer of the brachycephalic factor in Crô-Magnon. Close approximations to this type appear also in the Balkans and in the highlands of western and central Asia, suggesting that its ancestral prototype was widespread in Late Pleistocene times. In modern races it sometimes appears in a relatively pure form, sometimes as an element in mixed brachycephalic populations of multiple origin. It may have served in both Pleistocene and modern times as a bearer of the tendency toward brachycephalization into various population.[citation needed]
Coon further argued that they were linked to their unreduced (Brünn, Borreby) counterparts.
A debate concerning the origin of the Alpine race in Europe, involving Arthur Keith, John Myres and Alfred Cort Haddon was published by the Royal Geographical Society in 1906.[15]
Despite the large numbers of this alleged race, the characteristics of the Alpines were not as widely discussed and disputed as those of the Nordics and Mediterraneans. Typically they were portrayed as "sedentary": solid peasant stock, the reliable backbone of the European population, but not outstanding for qualities of leadership or creativity. Madison Grant, insisted on their "essentially peasant character".

**Smeagol** · 02-19-2014, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior

Debate about Alpinids origin is undisclosed and often with theories rather than a exact answers.

Alpinids are probably just reduced dark pigmented Cromagnids, but there are also Alpinids in the Middle East, so it's hard to speak of their origin for sure.

**~~The Illyrian Warrior~~** · 02-19-2014, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Rhett Butler

Alpinids are probably just reduced dark pigmented Cromagnids, but there are also Alpinids in the Middle East, so it's hard to speak of their origin for sure.

Central and West Asia contains large numbers of Alpinids so exact origin is still debatable.

**blogen** · 02-19-2014, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior

I state for all Caucasian known phenotypes, and Lapponoids are heavy Asiatic influenced wouldn't call native or European evolved either, same could be said about Alpinids who came from Central Asia, in fact all of stated pheno's wouldn't fit on category of natives in Europe expect for Neanderthals who gave its influence on all European pheno's.

The Lapponoid type is clear Caucasoid type. Few Lapponoids mixed with Mongoloids, but the basic Lapponoid character is a Northern Caucasoid character.