Nazi Germany Nordic Beauty Ideal

[Jarl]

Not exactly the Coonian Hallstatt type. What do you think???

[Liffrea]

Hmmm let's see:



Not quite....next.....



This man plunged the world into war dressed like that...



Errr....we'll call you.....next....



You've got to be joking...

[Jarl]

Certainy a far cry from Coonian fetishized narrow-face "Halstatts":










There definitely seems to be some disparity between Coonian Nordic and Eickstedt's Gunther's Nordic... Or perhaps it was the Nazis who had a different view?

Definitely the Nazis blended Falish and Nordic into one, while Coon blended Meds and Nordics. There is no trace of Coonian Nordo-Mediterranism in these posters.

[Psychonaut]

In the posters, the men usually seem to be Fälid or Trønder, two types that hypertrophy certain masculine traits like the strong jaw. The women tend to look more Nordid and feminine though.

[Jarl]

In the posters, the men usually seem to be Fälid or Trønder, two types that hypertrophy certain masculine traits like the strong jaw. The women tend to look more Nordid and feminine though.

Indeed! They faces tend to be masculine with pronounced strong jaws and zygomatic bones not really compressed. Face is often rectangular and jaw is more horizontal rather than steeply sloping.



This "Rassenkarte" lists prominent chins and rectangular faces as most highly valued... Also, if Im correct, deep-set eyes. These traits are rather Cro-Magnon-like. They don't really bring the rounded, gracile Halstatt into your mind.

[The Black Prince]

I once readed something another poster wrote on Skadi, years ago (can't recall his name). It was about the class system as applied by Himmler in his Gestapo and SS. In total six classes were defined based upon phenotype and ancestry (4 generations).
Concerning phenotype it was something like this:

Klas I: Nordisch, Falisch oder Nordisch-Falisch
Klas II: Nordish/Falische mit Westischen oder Dinarischen einschlag
Klas III: Dinarisch, Westisch oder Nordisch/Falisch mit Ostischen/Ostbaltischen Einschlag.
Klas IV: etc..
Klas V: ..
Klas VI: ..

Only the first two classes e.g. pred. Nordid/Faelid or Nordid/Faelid mixed with Dinarid/Mediterranid were allowed in the SS. Needless to say that during the middle of the war the rules were softenend and also the third and fourth class people were allowed enlistment (Germany and its collaborators were running out of Edelgermanen).

[Jarl]

Take a look at this German poster:



The only visible difference between Nordic and Falish (apart from the fashionale hairstyle of course) is:

- sloping forehead in the Nordic guy

- stronger jaw in the Falish fellow (greater bigonial breadth), giving his face a more pentagonal, rectangular shape


Otherwise, both are pretty much the same.

[The Black Prince]

The only visible difference between Nordic and Falish (apart from the fashionale hairstyle of course) is:

- sloping forehead in the Nordic guy

- stronger jaw in the Falish fellow (greater bigonial breadth), giving his face a more pentagonal, rectangular shape


Otherwise, both are pretty much the same.

Here is another one:



Strangely enough here the Nordisch fellow has a straight forehead and the Faelid fellow a more sloping forehead. I wouldn't call both textbook Nordid and Faelid btw. They rather look what Coon would call West-Germanic type or Anglo-Saxon type with their on overall appearance more looking as overgrown Nordids with rather high heads.

[Jarl]

Strangely enough here the Nordisch fellow has a straight forehead and the Faelid fellow a more sloping forehead.

Aah! Exactly!!! Funny, isn't it???

I wouldn't call both textbook Nordid and Faelid btw. They rather look what Coon would call West-Germanic type or Anglo-Saxon type with their on overall appearance more looking as overgrown Nordids with rather high heads.

Each typology had its own image of "Nordic" type. I can't exactly comprehend what was the reason for which Coon derived Nordics from Central European, Halstatt crania. However, even Coon's Nordics also are slightly heterogenous. Have a look at his Danubian Nordic type. What the hell is that??? Looking at various Nordics from the Corded and Halstatt plates you also get a varying degree of chin prominence and forehead sloping.

But it strongly appears to me that European Nordic, as defined by German or Polish schools, was quite different to both Coon's Danubian and Halstatt Nordic. I mean... just think of the terms... Halstatt Nordic??? DANUBIAN Nordic???

[The Black Prince]

Aah! Exactly!!! Funny, isn't it???

Well thats what happens when politics and ideology interfere with science and scholarship. One way or the other politics finds a way to turn the (often still debatable) data for its own pragmatical or ideological needs.

Each typology had its own image of "Nordic" type. I can't exactly comprehend what was the reason for which Coon derived Nordics from Central European, Halstatt crania. However, even Coon's Nordics also are slightly heterogenous. Have a look at his Danubian Nordic type. What the hell is that??? Looking at various Nordics from the Corded and Halstatt plates you also get a varying degree of chin prominence and forehead sloping.

Coon saw the Hallstatt crania resembling those of Iron Age Denmark, those of Iron Age Denmark were seen as typical Nordid. Also Von Eickstedt saw those Iron-Age Danes as typical Teuto-Nordid and later Baker in his book 'Race' used the Hallstatt crania as an example that f.i. the Kelts were perhaps once of a rather homogenic Nordid type where as the crania of the later 'true Kelts' of La Tène were not homegenous and not as Nordid on average.

However it is hard to say how all the people of the Hallstatt culture looked since we don't know if all people or only a part of the population got buried. F.i. I don't know if Coon only used the metrical data of crania of the fürstengraber or if there is other data of crania from the Hallstatt culture not found in those elite graves.

But it strongly appears to me that European Nordic, as defined by German or Polish schools, was quite different to both Coon's Danubian and Halstatt Nordic. I mean... just think of the terms... Halstatt Nordic??? DANUBIAN Nordic???

Danubians also strikes me as highly unlikely being Nordid, they are just mediterranoid and not nordoid in appearance and metrically. Anyway most anthropologists just lumped together in one Nordic group what Coon saw as racial Bruenns, Trönders (North-Germanic mesocephal type), Anglo-Saxon typo's (West-Germanic and early Slavic type), Hallstatt Nordids. About Borreby's I guess most would see part of them as rather Alpinid and the other part as brachycephalized Nordics/Faelids.

Personally I more favour Von Eickstedt his Nordid type. Seeing a more robust, , large headed, square jawed type as the Dalo-Nordid and a slender, narrower type as Teuto-Nordid. Von Eickstedt also wisely said that both types, due to the constant mixture inbetween, racially can't be seen as two distinct types.