Immigration is Needed in Europe to prevent a Market Meltdown

[JohnSmith]

I am going to flat out tell the facts as I see it. Europe in general has very serious negative birthrates. Plus, Europe in general has generous fringe benefits for their people including a generous pension system. I am going to tell you flat out there is no way that with negative birth rates these benefits can be sustained. The math does not add up. Europe will need immigration to fix this or somehow get their native population to increase the birth rate, which is unlikely since when people get more educated they have less children.

The workforce is aging and will retire and there will not be enough workers to fund the pension and fringe benefits. This will become a serious crisis.

The markets will not lend money to countries that do not reform and fix these serious problems. Italy already had Bond yield in 2011 hit 7%. That is scary. Just having a yield reach 7% forced berlusconi out of office. It is a ticking time.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...igration_.html

[portusaus]

The solution for low birthrates is not immigrants, fool, it's encouraging more births! That's effectively gradual ethnic cleansing; the health of the nation is priceless whereas the health of the economy is an ever-changing concern.

[JohnSmith]

The solution for low birthrates is not immigrants, fool, it's encouraging more births! That's effectively gradual ethnic cleansing; the health of the nation is priceless whereas the health of the economy is an ever-changing concern.

Lets be realistic, you think Europeans will just start having children on mass. Plus, the indebtedness of Europe compounds this problem. The markets don't care about who is an ethnic this or that. The Bond markets can destroy a country's finances in less than a week look at what happened to Greece, Portugal and Ireland.

We could follow your model and then European would have to give up many of their fringe benefits.

[portusaus]

Lets be realistic, you think Europeans will just start having children on mass. Plus, the indebtedness of Europe compounds this problem. The markets don't care about who is an ethnic this or that. The Bond markets can destroy a country's finances in less than a week look at what happened to Greece, Portugal and Ireland.

There are more important things than 'the markets'. Europe is under threat.

[JohnSmith]

There are more important things than 'the markets'. Europe is under threat.

I guess then say that to the 25% of Spaniards and 28% of Greek that are unemployed. That my friend is what the markets can do to a country.

[Svipdag]

FINE ! Let's ship them our illegal immigrants from Mexico. At least they're not Muslims.

[GrebluBro]

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Are you ok with all Europeans coverting to Islam and start breeding like rats?

[portusaus]

Are you ok with all Europeans coverting to Islam and start breeding like rats?

I'm not okay with the former, but ultimately that would be preferable to Europeans going extinct.

[JohnSmith]

FINE ! Let's ship them our illegal immigrants from Mexico. At least they're not Muslims.

lol, you know as well as I do the Mexicans in this country are not going anywhere. Again the corporations(markets) want them here to keep wages down. The politicians will follow the way the markets lead them.

[portusaus]

I guess then say that to the 25% of Spaniards and 28% of Greek that are unemployed. That my friend is what the markets can do to a country.

Yeah, that sucks and all, but unemployment is nothing in comparison to what immigrants can do to a country. They are not a solution, but a problem.