Whose genetic influence was stronger in Sicily: Phoenicians or Normans?

[Rambo07]

Phoenicians are typically associated with J2.
The subclade of J2 typically associated with Phoenicians, occurs at 33% in Sicily.

I think that also explains why so many Sicilians look Levantine also lol.

[Ulla]

Probably close to Cypriots.

I suspect that up until the Normans, all of the populations that had taken over Sicily were more or less genetically close, which is why it's hard to quantify their influence.

Probably close to Cypriots means nothing.

[Ulla]

Phoenicians are typically associated with J2.
The subclade of J2 typically associated with Phoenicians, occurs at 33% in Sicily.

I think that also explains why so many Sicilians look Levantine also lol.

There are many J2 subclades, not all could be associated with Phoenicians.
Ancient Greeks were J2 also.

[Sikeliot]

If Norman influence were stronger than Phoenician I'd assume Sicilians would plot further north than they do now, no?

[Styrian Mujo]

Slaves had the greatest impact along with Italics and the bigger towns back in the Roman period would be multi-ethnic filled with non-Slave immigrants from all parts of the empire (mostly north Africa and west Asia).

[Ulla]

If Norman influence were stronger than Phoenician I'd assume Sicilians would plot further north than they do now, no?

I see that You have much difficulty to understand a Mediterranean country. Besides, you've never lived outside USA.

Before Normans arrival Sicily was a muslim state and and Byzantine one. Normans brought back Sicily to the West civilization, with forced latinization and Lombard pogroms included. Yeah. In Sicily Norman legacy is much more important than all the peoples who preceded them. It is not a matter of dna and eyes or hair color. Without Norman conquest Sicilians would plot much more further South. Even if later Spaniards have made ​​all possible attempts to destroy Sicily.

[Sikeliot]

I see that You have much difficulty to understand a Mediterranean country. Besides, you've never lived outside USA.

Before Normans arrival Sicily was a muslim state and and Byzantine one. Normans brought back Sicily to the West civilization, with forced latinization and Lombard pogroms included. Yeah. In Sicily Norman legacy is much more important than all the peoples who preceded them. It is not a matter of dna and eyes or hair color. Without Norman conquest Sicilians would plot much more further South. Even if later Spaniards have made ​​all possible attempts to destroy Sicily.

Without Normans, Sicily would have become like Egypt, eventually undergone the Arab Slave Trade, and they'd look like Dominicans and Puerto Ricans today more or less.

But neither Normans, nor Arabs, have had much genetic impact. Sicily has one of the lowest genetic influences from North Europe in all of Europe.

[Comte Arnau]

If Norman influence were stronger than Phoenician I'd assume Sicilians would plot further north than they do now, no?

They don't plot near the Catalans either and thousands of us established there for over three centuries.

[Sikeliot]

They don't plot near the Catalans either and thousands of us established there for over three centuries.

What happened to them? Assimilated or left?

[Comte Arnau]

What happened to them? Assimilated or left?

I know there's a book, Els catalans a Sicília, a collection of several studies by both Catalan and Italian historians, but I haven't read it yet. I guess, though, that after the plagues and the earthquakes, many would leave and those who remained would easily assimilate. Yet there seem to be quite a few traces of our presence apparently, even after so many years.