Out of the Pyrenees, Alps and Danube, where does the sharpest change in average phenotype occur?

[Comte Arnau]

I know what you mean, but even in Catalonia there are faces that would be rare-to-non-existent among the ethnic French, such as Xavi Hernandez and Cesar Fabregas, be it due to inward migration from other Spanish regions or anything else. Anyway, I'm merely playing devil's advocate here - the thread does genuinely ask which out of the three natural barriers listed is the most significant.

If you think those faces would be non-existent in southern France, you just don't know the place.

Besides, you were talking about averages, and those faces are not average here either.

[Tooting Carmen]

If you think those faces would be non-existent in southern France, you just don't know the place.

Besides, you were talking about averages, and those faces are not average here either.

Perhaps not non-existent in Southern France, but pretty rare. Also, yes I know that the likes of Fabregas and Xavi are not average in Catalonia or anywhere in Spain either, but the point is they are rather more common there than in any country further North.

[Comte Arnau]

The sharper change in type beyond the Pyrenees is that Negrid types are out of a sudden far more common in the population.

[Tooting Carmen]

The sharper change in type beyond the Pyrenees is that Negrid types are out of a sudden far more common in the population.

Yes that's true.

[Tooting Carmen]

More votes and suggestions please.

[The King, I am]

Most if not all ethnic French people can pass as Spaniards, but a substantial minority of Spaniards - Gracile Meds and Berids principally - would not pass as ethnic French (at least not very easily).

Berids and Gracile Meds are present all over Europe, FACT

[Tooting Carmen]

Berids and Gracile Meds are present all over Europe, FACT

If that is true at all, then they reach their absolute maximum in Iberia, where their numbers far surpass anywhere else.

[The King, I am]

If that is true at all, then they reach their absolute maximum in Iberia, where their numbers far surpass anywhere else.

Cool, they're still present everywhere, No one is going to stop and think "hmm this guy is berid he can't be French, he looks Iberian because Berid=Iberian" at least no one in the right mind

[Tooting Carmen]

In any case, I don't just want this thread to be about France versus Spain. I want a broad discussion of the differences in phenotype across the frontiers of all three places listed in the title.

[Tooting Carmen]

Cool, they're still present everywhere, No one is going to stop and think "hmm this guy is berid he can't be French, he looks Iberian because Berid=Iberian" at least no one in the right mind

I don't entirely agree. People who look like this look distinctly Iberian and would stick out among ethnic French: