Is Northern Germany originally dutch or german?

[Visitor_22]

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[Longbowman]

Whilst Dutch may be more closely related to Low German than Low German is to High German, of course that does not make Low Germans Dutch.

Genetically northern Germans are more closely related to the Dutch than they are to Bavarians or Austrians, though.

[Visitor_22]

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[Wolf]

No, dutch were germans.

Historically speaking, Germans and Dutch are of the same (West) Germanic origin.

I think dutch won't agree with you.

Probably, but also Austrians don't want be German any more.

[Chichic]

Whilst Dutch may be more closely related to Low German than Low German is to High German, of course that does not make Low Germans Dutch.

Genetically northern Germans are more closely related to the Dutch than they are to Bavarians or Austrians, though.

No. Low German is closer related to High German than to the Dutch. Low German is only a dialect of the German, while Dutch is a different language. Dutch has also different words which are not present in the Low German and vice versa the same.

And North Germans are also not closer related to the Dutch than to South Germans or Austrians.

[Wolf]

No. Low German is closer related to High German than to the Dutch.

[Longbowman]

No. Low German is closer related to High German than to the Dutch. Low German is only a dialect of the German, while Dutch is a different language. Dutch has also different words which are not present in the Low German and vice versa the same.

And North Germans are also not closer related to the Dutch than to South Germans or Austrians.

You're empirically wrong. Especially about the genetic relationship.

YDNA:

Netherlands:
I1 16.5%
I2a 1%
I2b 6.5%
R1a 4%
R1b 49%
G 4.5%
J2 3.5%
J1 0.5%
EV13 3.5%
T 1%
Q 0%
N 0%

North Germany:
I1 18.5% closer to NETHERLANDS
I2a 0.5% closer to NETHERLANDS
I2b 7.5% closer to NETHERLANDS
R1a 22% closer to SOUTHERN GERMANY
R1b 36% closer to SOUTHERN GERMANY
G 3.5% closer to NETHERLANDS
J2 4% closer to NETHERLANDS
J1 0.5% closer to NETHERLANDS
EV13 2.5% closer to NETHERLANDS
T 1% closer to NETHERLANDS
Q 2% closer to SOUTH GERMANY
N 1.5% closer to SOUTH GERMANY

South Germany:
I1 10.5%
I2a 4.5%
I2b 3%
R1a 9.5%
R1b 48.5%
G 8%
J2 5.5%
J1 1%
EV13 8%
T 1.5%
Q 0.5%
N 0.5%

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

aDNA is closer too.

[blogen]

I think dutch won't agree with you.

This has political reasons and not cultural or lingual.

[Chichic]

You're empirically wrong. Especially about the genetic relationship.

YDNA:

Netherlands:
I1 16.5%
I2a 1%
I2b 6.5%
R1a 4%
R1b 49%
G 4.5%
J2 3.5%
J1 0.5%
EV13 3.5%
T 1%
Q 0%
N 0%

North Germany:
I1 18.5% closer to NETHERLANDS
I2a 0.5% closer to NETHERLANDS
I2b 7.5% closer to NETHERLANDS
R1a 22% closer to SOUTHERN GERMANY
R1b 36% closer to SOUTHERN GERMANY
G 3.5% closer to NETHERLANDS
J2 4% closer to NETHERLANDS
J1 0.5% closer to NETHERLANDS
EV13 2.5% closer to NETHERLANDS
T 1% closer to NETHERLANDS
Q 2% closer to SOUTH GERMANY
N 1.5% closer to SOUTH GERMANY

South Germany:
I1 10.5%
I2a 4.5%
I2b 3%
R1a 9.5%
R1b 48.5%
G 8%
J2 5.5%
J1 1%
EV13 8%
T 1.5%
Q 0.5%
N 0.5%

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

aDNA is closer too.

As you can see, measured on the two main haplogroups R1a and R1b, North Germans are closer to South Germans.

[Visitor_22]

No. Low German is closer related to High German than to the Dutch. Low German is only a dialect of the German, while Dutch is a different language. Dutch has also different words which are not present in the Low German and vice versa the same.

LOL man. Low german is not dialect of high german, it's different and distinct language. It's closer to dutch than to bavarian or austrian languages/dialects.

High german speakers in that area are just immigrants. At least most of them.