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    1. IF IFS AND ANS WERE POTS AND PANS

    There are two kinds of nationalism: civic nationalism and ethnic nationalism. There are two kinds of nations: civic nations and ethnic nations. Membership in civic nations is voluntary and little depends from an ethnic background of a person. Members of an ethnic nation belong to it by blood and birth. “Civic” vision of nation was chosen in France after the Great French revolution. Germans are a classical example of a nation who chose “ethnic” vision of their nation. Ethnic nationalism has traditionally prevailed in Eastern and South-Eastern Europe as well.

    At the end of XVIII century Poland could become an exception in Eastern Europe. At the end of the XVIII century this country was on the way of forming a civic nation, like France. That nation would have been Polish speaking but included also quite polonized but not Slavic speaking Lithuanians (doesn’t France have its Bretons?). Ukrainians and Belarusians would have preserved some ethnographic peculiarities of theirs though they would have been polonized more than Lithuanians (Provence and Occitanians could come as comparison).

    2. THREE NATIONALISMS FOR BELARUSIANS

    a) Polish nationalism


    The formation of the greater Polish nation described above has never happened in reality: at the end of XVIII century Rzecz Pospolita was partitioned by Austria, Prussia and Russia. The formation wasn’t stopped at once: the Polish culture for several decades dominated on many territories which were not Polish in ethnic sense of this word (Belarus, Lithuania, some parts of the Ukraine). Great part of elites of these lands still felt being part of the Polish nation, despite the fact that there was no Poland anymore on the political map of Europe.

    The Polish nationalism was the first nationalism to appear in our land (Belarus) and many chose this option. A Latin expression was coined to describe the national belonging of such people: “Gente Ruthenus, natione Polonus”, that means “Ruthenian by birth, Polish by nation”. Perfect examples are leader of the Polish national uprising Tadeusz Kościuszko (born in Belarus, near Kobryń) and prophet of Polish national awakening Adam Mickiewicz (born near Baranavičy).

    And still there are lots of such people in Belarus: 400*000 “so-called Poles”. “So-called” because 1) mass migration from ethic Polish lands to Belarus has never taken place; 2) These “so-called Poles” do not differ in customs and in language from Belarusians among whom they live and it doesn’t surprise me at all that anthropometric studies show that 3) among all the ethnic minorities in Belarus the “so-called Poles” are anthropologically most similar to Belarusians. I know even why: because the only thing that makes them “Polish” is that they just believe they are Polish. This is matter of choice: acceptable for those who believe in civic nationalism and laughable for those who believe in ethnic nationalism.

    b) Russian nationalism

    Active russification of Belarus didn’t start immediately after Belarusian lands were annexed by Russia. More or less intensive it became after the uprising of 1830. The most important achievement of russification was beyond doubt the liquidation of the Uniate (aka Greek Catholic) Church and absorbing it by the Russian Orthodox Church (in year 1839). In that way majority of Belarusians joined the confession which was official and dominated in the Russian Empire.

    Russian nationalism coined its own ideology in the Belarusian lands: “West-Russianism” (zapadnorussizm). It is simple and can be explained in several sentences: Belarusians have their own ethnographic peculiarities, these peculiarities can be interesting to study, but most probably these peculiarities are a consequence of polonization and contacts with Catholicism and Western culture in general; Belarusians are a part of the greater Russian nation which includes also Great Russians (proper Russians) and Little Russians (Ukrainians); Belarusians have ever dreamed to be a part of Russia, and at the end of XVIII century their dream came true; Orthodoxy rules, Catholicism sucks...

    Initially West-Russianism excluded Catholic Belarusians from the “greater Russian nation”: only Orthodox people were allowed there. Catholic Belarusians were regarded as Poles. Later there were some changes: its ideologists came to the idea that since only the faith differed Catholic Belarusians from Orthodox Belarusians, then maybe Catholic Belarusians were “Russians too”, who could be urged to change their faith and become “normal” (Orthodox) Russians.

    An example of a West-Russian could be academician Jaŭchim Karski, author of fundamental work “Belarusians”. The work didn’t make him a sympathizer of the Belarusian national awakening. He was loyal to tsarism and the idea of triple Russian nation despite the fact that he devoted all his life to studies of the Belarusian language and literature.

    c) Belarusian nationalism

    The Belarusian nationalism is the youngest of the three. And it is very late nationalism: the first “manifest” which declared Belarusians to be a separate nation on their own, equal to other nations was first published in 1891, as a foreword to poetry book “Dudka biełaruskaja” by Francišak Bahuševič. But real national work started even later: at the beginning of XX century. The laws of the Russian Empire became more loyal to publishing in Belarusian and in Ukrainian only in 1905 (these two languages were seen as especially dangerous because they “undermined” the unity of the triple Russian nation). That’s why “Dudka biełaruskaja” was published in Austrian Krakau.

    Since its very coming into being the Belarusian nationalism had to rival with two other nationalisms for Belarusian souls.

    3. XX CENTURY

    a) Polish nationalism:
    it seems that after all it became “ethnic” not “civic”. From 1921 to 1939 Western Belarus was part of Poland, where the Polish nationalism had all the conditions needed to prosper. The aim of the policies of the Second Rzecz Pospolita was assimilation and polonization of the non-Polish minorities. About Belarusians Polish minister Skulski said that in 50 years it would be impossible to find one.

    b) Russian nationalism: one may believe that the USSR was an international or antinational state. But in fact the USSR was a modified Russian Empire, where the Russian nation (Russian proletariat) was declared “leading”. There was a short period of liberal national policies (1922-1929) but after it the Russian nationalism became again a component of the state ideology. For Belarusians it meant reviving of the West-Russianism, with one difference: Belarusians were finally regarded as a separate nation. There were no other changes. When one reads Soviet textbooks of history, he sees the same anti-Catholicism, anti-Westernism, tales about the wish to reunification (had we ever been unified before?) with the Great Russian nation (velikiy russkiy narod – it was common then to use this expression with the pathetic adjective “velikiy”, now it sounds funny). But even the distorted history of Belarus was taught little in schools of the BSSR, the Belarusian language was gradually replaced by the Russian language, incomers in the BSSR were free not to have their children taught the Belarusian language at all.

    c) Belarusian nationalism: as a late nationalism which had to rival with two other developed nationalisms it had little success. There was a short active period of national awakening before the First World War (1905-1914), national work was done during the German occupation. Between the two world wars Western Belarus was a part of the Polish state and was being polonized during that time. In Eastern Belarus (the BSSR) there was a short successful period of Belarusization (1922-1929) after which most its activists were repressed. Also the period of so-called “weissruthenisation” during the German occupation 1941-44 should be mentioned and also the period of Belarusization after the collapse of the USSR (1991-1994).

    4. THE FAILS AND THE WINS OF THE THREE NATIONALISMS

    a) Polish nationalism: win. Poland “od morza do morza” (from the sea to the sea) collapsed at the end of XVIII century and has never been revived again. But the Polish nationalism was successful: 400*000 native inhabitants of Belarus, who declare their “Polishness” are the best proof for that. And take into account that hundreds of thousands “so-called Poles” were allowed to leave the BSSR for Poland after the World War II. That makes together a really impressive number of Belarusian souls won by the Polish nationalism.

    b) Russian nationalism: epic win. In fact Belarus is populated mostly by West-Russians. The West-Russians aren’t allergic to the red and green flag of the BSSR and call it national, the West-Russians don’t see anything abnormal in the fact that there is not a single national TV-channel in Belarusian, that there are no university which would teach its students in Belarusian. West-Russians feel no discomfort sending their children to Russian schools. West-Russians rarely can speak correct Belarusian and they don’t read books and newspapers in Belarusian. The majority of Belarusian souls was won by the Russian nationalism, it seems.

    c) Belarusian nationalism: fail. Ukrainians have a saying about the two greatest national poets of theirs: “Taras Shevchenko created the Ukraine and Ivan Franko populated it with Ukrainians”. It seems that the Belarusian nationalism managed only to create Belarus but failed to populate it with Belarusians.

    5. BELARUSIANS ARE LIKE KASHUBIANS

    Because of the pitiful situation with the national language Belarusians often compare themselves to the Irish. But I think this comparison isn’t quite right. It makes more sense to compare the Belarusian situation with the situation of Kashubians. The Kashubians are an example of an ethnos which “shirked the possibility of embarking on its own national project” as Tomasz Kamusella put it. The following information I’ve taken from his book “The Triple Division of the Slavic Languages: A linguistic finding, a product of politics, or an accident?”

    Kashubian is the Slavic ethnolect of the overwhelmingly Catholic ethnic group of Kashubs living around the city of Gdańsk (Danzig). The Kashubian national movement emerged at the beginning of the 20th century but was short-lived. After 1918 the areas inhabited by the Kashubs were divided between Poland and the Free City of Danzig. Warsaw claimed Kashubian to be a dialect of the Polish language and the Kashubs a regional group of the Polish nation. The serious process of standardizing Kashubian commenced only after the fall of communism (1989). Despite Warsaw’s tacit opposition, in the second half of the 1990s and at the beginning of the 21st century this led to the establishment of the modest network of Kashubian-language elementary and secondary education attended by several thousand students. Also some fortnightly radio and TV programs are broadcast in Kashubian, masses are celebrated in this language in a handful of Catholic churches, and the Chair in the Kashubian Language was established at the University of Gdańsk. Nowadays hardly any Polish politician or scholar claims Kashubian to be a Polish dialect.

    The Kashubian-speaking population counts 150,000 persons. In the 2002 census only 6,000 of them declared themselves to be members of the Kashubian nation. The overwhelming majority of Kashubs feel to be part of the Polish nation despite the fact that they consider Kashubian to be a language on its own.

    The last paragraph means: Kashubians have everything to be regarded a separate nation, everything but one thing: they don’t have national consciousness. Belarusians have even more than Kashubians: we have our own state and are recognized as a separate nation by the world, but we lack the same: the national consciousness. Kashubians will become a “normal” nation when they overcome their “Polishness”. West-Russians will become Belarusians when they overcome their “Russianness”.

    6. LUKASHISM AND WEST-RUSSIANISM

    Łukašenka is a perfect example of a West-Russian. He believes that at the beginning of his carrier he managed to outplay “nationalists” and sometimes speaking in the name of his enemies he switches to Belarusian. One who doesn’t know the Belarusian situation could be surprised to see the president so demonstratively drawing a line between him and “those Belarusian-speaking guys”. But such behaviour of Łukašenka’s is acceptable for his electorate of West-Russians.

    West-Russians are the backbone of the regime. And the regime strives to preserve status quo. The independence creates natural conditions for the Belarusian nationalism to grow, but the Belarusian nationalism is seen by the present West-Russian regime as hostile and dangerous ideology. That’s why the regime strives to preserve West-Russianism, that’s why it cares so much about preserving Soviet heritage, cults, myths and customs.

    7. WILL BELARUSIANS EVER BECOME A NORMAL NATION?

    God knows. Maybe. The erosion of West-Russianism seems to be unavoidable after the fall of the regime. But the “erosion” can take a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteruthenian View Post
    a) Polish nationalism[/B]

    The formation of the greater Polish nation described above has never happened in reality: at the end of XVIII century Rzecz Pospolita was partitioned by Austria, Prussia and Russia. The formation wasn’t stopped at once: the Polish culture for several decades dominated on many territories which were not Polish in ethnic sense of this word (Belarus, Lithuania, some parts of the Ukraine). Great part of elites of these lands still felt being part of the Polish nation, despite the fact that there was no Poland anymore on the political map of Europe.

    The Polish nationalism was the first nationalism to appear in our land (Belarus) and many chose this option. A Latin expression was coined to describe the national belonging of such people: “Gente Ruthenus, natione Polonus”, that means “Ruthenian by birth, Polish by nation”. Perfect examples are leader of the Polish national uprising Tadeusz Kościuszko (born in Belarus, near Kobryń) and prophet of Polish national awakening Adam Mickiewicz (born near Baranavičy).

    But I guess you are correct. Majority of Belarussian and Lithuanian Poles are polonised locals - particularly if they stem from peasantry.

    And still there are lots of such people in Belarus: 400*000 “so-called Poles”. “So-called” because 1) mass migration from ethic Polish lands to Belarus has never taken place; 2) These “so-called Poles” do not differ in customs and in language from Belarusians among whom they live and it doesn’t surprise me at all that anthropometric studies show that 3) among all the ethnic minorities in Belarus the “so-called Poles” are anthropologically most similar to Belarusians. I know even why: because the only thing that makes them “Polish” is that they just believe they are Polish. This is matter of choice: acceptable for those who believe in civic nationalism and laughable for those who believe in ethnic nationalism.

    To be honest. Polonisation of local szlachta and elites played a major role, but there still was a Polish colonisation of both Podlasie and Grodno. Vast majority of Polish settlers came from Mazovia and mixed with local Ruthenian and Yotvingian elements.

    http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialekt...82nocnokresowy

    This colonisation occured mostly after 1569. But it was mostly limited to burghers and petty szlachta. Peasantry spoke Ruthenian. Apparently, only after January Uprising and the end of serfdom in 1864, Belarussian and Lithuanian peasants underwent stronger polonisation. This became more pronounced during the 20-year interbellum period. Apparently many Belarussian Catholic Poles are descendants of ruthenised Yotcingians and Lithuanians that accepted Catholicism in 1387.

    In Podlasie, there are many ethnically Belarusian and Orthodox people who nonetheless consider themselves Polish. Even though some still speak Belarussian (46 000 consider themselves Belarussian). I am not really certain if they can be called "so-called Polish". Its a bit like with Prussian Mazurians - most of them considered themselves German and left for Germany. Even though they were ethnically Polish.


    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteruthenian View Post
    a) Polish nationalism: win. Poland “od morza do morza” (from the sea to the sea) collapsed at the end of XVIII century and has never been revived again. But the Polish nationalism was successful: 400*000 native inhabitants of Belarus, who declare their “Polishness” are the best proof for that. And take into account that hundreds of thousands “so-called Poles” were allowed to leave the BSSR for Poland after the World War II. That makes together a really impressive number of Belarusian souls won by the Polish nationalism.
    I am not really certain if we can call it a "win". From what I heard Belarusian authorities seem to be rather weary of "Zwiazek Polaków na Białej Rusi" and the demographic trends are rather negative, resulting in assimilation of these Belarusian Poles.

    Just to be fair. Polonisation of Lithuania and Belarus was never enforced like in case of Prussian germanisation or Imperial Russian russification.



    P.S.

    Are there any Polish schools in Belarus?
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    Another thing that strikes me about Poles in the East is the massive discrepancy in the estmiates.


    For instance Belarusian authorities give 400 000 estimate. Polish estmiates range between 500 000 to 1 200 000 (!):

    http://www.wspolnota-polska.org.pl/index.php?id=pwko01

    Ukrainian authorities give 144 000. Polish estmiates vary from 400 000 to 900 000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarl View Post
    To be honest. Polonisation of local szlachta and elites played a major role, but there still was a Polish colonisation of both Podlasie and Grodno. Vast majority of Polish settlers came from Mazovia and mixed with local Ruthenian and Yotvingian elements.

    http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialekt...82nocnokresowy

    This colonisation occured mostly after 1569. But it was mostly limited to burghers and petty szlachta.
    Even if it is so, such colonisation could hardly give such huge numbers of Poles "by blood".
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarl View Post
    Apparently many Belarussian Catholic Poles are descendants of ruthenised Yotcingians and Lithuanians that accepted Catholicism in 1387.
    Well... Now it becomes trendy to regard all Belarusians as "slavicised Balts", actually, so from this point of view Baltic blood wouldn't make this ethnographic group more alien to Belarusians - it makes no difference, when exactly the Balts accepted the [White]Ruthenian language... and who said we have stopped? Let's carry on slavicising every Balt we see! Our Drang nach Norden must go on! j/k
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarl View Post
    From what I heard Belarusian authorities seem to be rather weary of "Zwiazek Polaków na Białej Rusi" and the demographic trends are rather negative, resulting in assimilation of these Belarusian Poles.
    I'd say they just don't like to have something (and especially organisations) not under their control. Thus they created state-controlled ZBS, it is very much their fashion. And the Polish identity is still attractive for many (while the Belarusian identity is weak), it can brings some dividents ("A Pole's card", for example). You should be more optimistic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarl View Post
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    Are there any Polish schools in Belarus?
    Two. But don't let this number knock you down. As I wrote above, our "so-called Poles" don't speak Polish anyway, they don't "look" Polish, they just feel Polish. That's the problem for us, Belarusian chauvinists...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarl View Post
    For instance Belarusian authorities give 400 000 estimate.
    Hm, "estimate"?.. We have census every 10 years. In year 1999 some 396 000 people called themselves Poles in Belarus. In year 1989 there were 417 720 of them.

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    I know you had a census. The thing is many Polish, and not only Polish institutions, doubt its credibility

    As for the language. Like I said. Most of these Poles are polonised Ruthenian peasants. Catholicism in Belarus is as old as in the rest of Grand Duchy of Lithuania. I think it helped in polonisation of some Ruthenians. I don't think there were mass conversions among Belarusian peasantry. It retained Orthodox faith even in Poland and longer than its Ruthenian language. Although majority speaks Belarusian at home, there are still some Polish-speaking communities. Two schools is not a lot. While "Karta Polaka" means nothing. Frankly, I cannot see how this Polish sense of nationality can survive long in such conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteruthenian View Post
    You should be more optimistic.
    I am neither opti nor pesi, I just pointed to the fact that people who devoted their lives to maintaining Polish culture in Belarus are not optimistic:

    http://www.wspolnota-polska.org.pl/index.php?id=pwko110

    Anyway you write about optimism and then you write this:

    As I wrote above, our "so-called Poles" don't speak Polish anyway, they don't "look" Polish, they just feel Polish. That's the problem for us, Belarusian chauvinists...
    I don't think that it will present a major problem with the current trends.

    Hm, "estimate"?.. We have census every 10 years. In year 1999 some 396 000 people called themselves Poles in Belarus. In year 1989 there were 417 720 of them.
    First of all, you can see yourself the trend is negative. Secondly, whatever the real number is, these people canno't maintain their culture for long under current situation. 5% of these Poles speak Polish at home, while 20% regard Polish as their ancestral tongue.

    But I agree that the census might be not far from the correct number. At least it does not really differ from the earlier Soviet consuses.



    P.S.

    So what do you think makes these "so called Poles" as you call them cling to the Polish national identity, despite the fact most of them speak Belarusian or Russian? Fashion? While I agree that polonisation brought a major contribution to boosting the numbers of Poles in Belarus, Im a bit concerned with you denial of Polish identity. You can't really call the descendants of polonised szlachta or Masovian burghers "so called Poles".

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    That was interesting. A lot of the same things are at work in Ukraine. However I do not feel that in the case of people from my region the idea of "malorussians" is entirely inappropriate.

    Speaking excusively regarding the region I am from:
    IMO the border between Russia and Ukraine is not entirely appropriate, there is (and always has been) a great degree of cultural (and genetic) continuity across it. That is not to say that Eastern Ukraine and Russian are exactly the same thing, but the regions immediately ajacent are very similar. Especially considering the size of Ukraine, we are a lot more similar to our russian neighbours then to western ukrainians.

    I am curious as to the situation in Belorussia - the country is quite a bit smaller than Ukraine and shares a lot of its border with Russia and Ukraine - how much cultural continuity is there across those borders?
    Separately, would you say that (discounting russification) belorussians are a homogeneous population or is there are west-east divide similar to that seen in Ukraine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarl View Post
    First of all, you can see yourself the trend is negative. Secondly, whatever the real number is, these people canno't maintain their culture for long under current situation. 5% of these Poles speak Polish at home, while 20% regard Polish as their ancestral tongue.
    Well, only 5% of them speak Polish at home (and the percentage has been not much bigger for many decades), but they still regard themselves Polish! For me it is just amazing. A miracle of survivability of an identity.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jarl View Post
    P.S.

    So what do you think makes these "so called Poles" as you call them cling to the Polish national identity, despite the fact most of them speak Belarusian or Russian? Fashion? While I agree that polonisation brought a major contribution to boosting the numbers of Poles in Belarus, Im a bit concerned with you denial of Polish identity. You can't really call the descendants of polonised szlachta or Masovian burghers "so called Poles".
    Look, I am chauvinist, but I am an honest chauvinist. Every person who can prove that 50% or more of his/her ancestors originated from the Polish ethnographic territory, will be regarded Polish by me. If not, then welcome to the Belarusian nation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by feya View Post
    I am curious as to the situation in Belorussia - the country is quite a bit smaller than Ukraine and shares a lot of its border with Russia and Ukraine - how much cultural continuity is there across those borders?
    Separately, would you say that (discounting russification) belorussians are a homogeneous population or is there are west-east divide similar to that seen in Ukraine?
    Belarus and Ukraine has since XIII-XIV century been the domain of Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Following the union of Poland and Lithuania and catholicisation of Lithuania, Polish elites dominated both countries and polonisation ensued. Ukraine was incorporated into Poland.

    Since for most part of their history they were not associated with Muscovy and Russia, both of these countries managed to retain a different language and identity. Ukrainian nationalism, fuelled by opression from Polish szlachta and magnates found its roots in the Polish-Cossack wars and tensions in XIX-century Austrian Galicia.

    On the other hand Belarus, much smaller and much less populated, has never undergone a period of national awakening. In XIXth and XXth century it quickly became russified. Ironically areas with strong Polish/Rzeczpospolita traditions were the birthplace of Belarusian nationalism. There was no Ukrainian or Belarusian nationalism in Soviet Union. There was no place for it. It could only happen in semi-liberal II Rzeczpospolita.

    However, up until XXth century many Belarusians did not consider themselves "Belrausian". Rather "local" or "Ruthenian". Continuity existed. In Podlasie there is a spectrum of trasition Mazovian - Belarusian dialects. Similarly between Belarusians and Ukrainians there are Poleszuki. Poleszucy were a intermediate group between Ukrainians and Belarusian. Simple Ruthenian Orthodox peasants, they did not have any stronger sense of national identity. In most pre WWII censuses they considered themselves "local".

    When asked about nationality they would answer: "Ja tutejszy" or "prawosławny" (Orthodox).

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    The truth is that Belarusian national awakening started at the end of XIX century and was restricted mostly to Catholic and Polish-influences communities in the West. In the East, over 100 years of russification in Russian Empire, followed by russification in the Soviet Union successfully (and often physically) eradicated any attempts to establish Belarusian ethnicity/nationality. For Russian authorities, imperial or communist alike, Belarusians simply equalled Russians.


    And indeed, poor, backward masses of peasantry adopted Russian sense of identity. This is still prevalent in modern Belarus and is the main reason for the split in Belarusian society. Belarusian identity survived mostly in Rzeczpospolita districts just like the polonised szlachta and gentry. But not for long. After 1917 and then after WW II it was expropriated and subjected to russification as well.


    Now why did the Ukrainians manage to undergo national awakening, while Belrausian failed??? To make it short:


    1. Belarus has always been the most backward, illiterate and sparsely populated, heavily forested area of both Ist and IInd Rzeczpospolita, with few cities and schools.

    Illiteracy in II RP:



    2. Belarus has always been subjected to serfdom. Its peasantry has never had any major degrees of autonomy like Ukrainian Cossacks, or Carpathian Ruthenians in Galicia had.

    3. Local Belarusian elites became quickly and heavily polonised unlike Ukrainian/Cossack ones.

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