Italkim Jews... HELP!

[MINARDOWICZ]

O.K. so I am looking for some information on Italkim Jews.

Does anyone have 23&me results of Italian Jews at all?!?! Not Ashkenazi immigrants, but the rare Italkim, which are hard to come by now (though they do still exist). I saw a few on PCA plot charts and they plot super far south... but similarly to S Italians. So... I just want to see some information. Also, if possible, Calc results too?!?! Also, haplogroup info is good as well, though I have already seen some of THAT.

[MINARDOWICZ]

No one have anything?

[MINARDOWICZ]

Found yet another plot chart... anyone have admixture results? https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3...RJcDNxYmc/edit

[MINARDOWICZ]

I finally found admixture results via Eurogenes... cool stuff, will post later... but someone please provide 23 & me results from some of them.

[Anglojew]

I read some speculate they're proto-Ashkenazis. What is your reading of the genetics?

[MINARDOWICZ]

I read some speculate they're proto-Ashkenazis. What is your reading of the genetics?

No... They are not, I bet.

Genetically and historically both, they are, in fact, more or less, in a way, the ancestors of Ashkenazi (partially). They are most definitely just Ashkenazi though, based on these odd percentages that suggest they have WAY more Levantine BTW. Want to see some of the results?

[MINARDOWICZ]

I read some speculate they're proto-Ashkenazis. What is your reading of the genetics?

From the sheet at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=sharing#gid=0

PAY ATTENTION TO HIGHLIGHTED AND UNDERLINED PERCENTAGES

Italian Jew

North Sea- 8.1
Atlantic- 12.61666667
Baltic- 2.226666667
E Euro- 1.13
W Med- 17.84
W Asian- 12.08
E Med- 33.85333333
Red Sea- 8.246666667
S Asian- 0.066666667
SE Asian- 0.65
Siberian- 0.213333333
Amerindian- 0.08
Oceanian- 0.746666667
NE African- 2.143333333
SSA- 0.01

Sephardic Jew

North Sea- 5.29
Atlantic- 14.02
Baltic- 2.36
E Euro- 1.42
W Med- 16.21
W Asian- 13.51
E Med- 33.88
Red Sea- 9.68
S Asian- 0.74
SE Asian- 0.27
Siberian- 0.38
Amerindian- 0
Oceanian- 0.24
NE African- 1.56
SSA- 0.43

Ashkenazi Jew

North Sea- 9.89
Atlantic- 10.7
Baltic- 6.74
E Euro- 5.17
W Med- 14.82
W Asian- 13.05
E Med- 26.61
Red Sea- 8.07
S Asian- 1.2
SE Asian- 0.6
Siberian- 0.58
Amerindian- 0.32
Oceanian- 0.24
NE African- 1.63
SSA- 0.39

East Sicilian

North Sea- 9.75
Atlantic- 13.27
Baltic- 6.393333333
E Euro- 2.26
W Med- 17.35666667
W Asian- 14.43
E Med- 26.94333333
Red Sea- 6.763333333
S Asian- 0.52
SE Asian- 0.03
Siberian- 0.003333333
Amerindian- 0.063333333
Oceanian- 0.25
NE African- 1.596666667
SSA- 0.36

[MINARDOWICZ]

Bump

[Rieder]

I think this should be in Genetics rather than Anthropology.

[MysteriousWays]

Almost right in between Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews on these calculators (bit closer to Sephardim).