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Thread: Charles Murray's "Human Accomplishment"

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    Well... there is Olszewski, Smoluchowski, Mendeleyev - chemists, Pawlov - physician, Banach - mathemathician, and G. Mendel. Some geographers - Czerski, Strzelecki and Czekanowski. Most of them were poets and writers tho.

    And don't forget all the Russian, XIX-century composers

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    Poland ahead of the Balkans? Sure...

    "If Germany re-establishes her trade in the next 50 years, we shall have fought the war (WW1) in vain
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    Winston Churchill interviewed by the London Times in 1919

    "This is not a peace. It is an armistice for twenty years"
    French marshal Ferdinand Foch on the Treaty of Versailles in 1919

    "Our ideal is to round Poland off with frontiers on the Oder in the West and the Neisse in Lausatia, and to reincorporate Prussia, from the Pregel to the Spree. In this war no prisoners will be taken, there will be no room for humanitarian feelings. We shall surprise the whole world in our war with Germany."
    Polish newspaper Mosarstwowiecz (1930), three years before Hitler's rise to power.




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    Nothing better than a pinch of German optimism!

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    ...and what good are all these accomplishments? All they "accomplished" is getting us to today ...

    The way I see it, the areas that have accomplished nothing are the only ones innocent of the sh!t we find ourselves in today...we are just victims of your progress

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    Fact of the matter is that it is finally on black and white: we Dutch are the master race.

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    People always seem to forget the Irish. When England was in the so-called "Dark Ages", the Irish peasentry were conversing in Greek and Latin! We are from the Land of Saints and Scholars!

    We are the mastard race!

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    Strengths and weaknesses of the West were formed in Medieval times, based on various reforms in the Frankish Empire. I wrote about that in a longer text which I posted on Skadi some time ago:
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...954#post159954

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    Looking at America, it is interesting to note that the northern half of the US seems to be the accomplished section of the nation:



    ... and that is not only because of early historical settlement, as can be seen in a fairly recent distribution:



    By contrast, see where the "Bible Belt" is located ... almost the inverse of above maps:



    Coincidence? Or shall we regard this post in the religious vs intelligence thread as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Coincidence? Or shall we regard this post in the religious vs intelligence thread as well?
    The North, and specifically the region colored the darkest in this map, is far more industrialized than the South. Also, the population size is greater.

    The South has been largely agriculturally based until very recently. And even now it's nothing like New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

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    Its religion, the kind of immigrants coming and the economy they established.

    The East-North East being closer to the European Northern climate, so capable, independent farmers and townspeople could come from Europe directly to this area and going on in the way the were used to it.

    In the South you have plantations, rich landlords, poor dependent farmers of early immigrants and black slaves, superstition of a more primitive kind, a climate further away from that in Europe etc.

    Its not by chance that the black slaves got there, because they were better workers on the plantations in the respective climate. Thats no work for a Northern European in that climate - at least they do worse physically.

    The great changes and inventions, social reforms etc. of the Frankish Empire, I mentioned in the last thread, were all made and suited best in the temperate and cool-temperate climate.

    Before the heavy plow, kumet, three-field crop rotation etc., the South produced more corn than the North. The whole corn-eater process of the dependent farmers, the population growth and density, wouldnt have been possible in the North Western parts of Europe without this reforms.

    The skilled farmers, craftsmen and businessmen, especially from the Germanic and Germanic influenced (culturally at least) lands, which came with the newest innovations and a high social and biological standard to the USA, settled in the regions shown primarily.

    Climate-race map:

    http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5941/klimata2k.jpg

    The best areas for "the Frankish people and way of life" is easy to recognise. When the New English colonies were already full of people, the Germans and related people went further West, but mostly along the climatic line.

    Some went to Texas etc. later, because of the cheap land and other kinds of business, but the typical bible belt of the plantations, poor farmers and black slaves being largely circled around.

    Lutherans were always more rational, social, group oriented of the Protestant groups, this changed in Germany and other countries of Europe just after the 2nd World War and the complete "re-education" or "2nd reformation" of the Lutherans.

    Look for German names, there are better sites than this one but still:

    F.e. names like Schmidt, Karst, Mueller, Mayer etc.

    The main exceptions in the South, for obvious reasons in later times, are Texas, Florida and California. The typical German settlers in larger groups however went mostly to the states mentioned, where they significantly influenced the local culture.

    A good example for a harscher environment, yet good enough for the "Frankish way of life" being Wisconsin:
    The five largest ancestry groups in Wisconsin are: German (42.6%), Irish (10.9%), Polish (9.3%), Norwegian (8.5%), English (6.5%).
    Christianity is the predominant religion of Wisconsin. The largest Christian denominations are Roman Catholic and Lutheran;
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin

    The whole "developed belt" West of the old English settlements of European character of the map wouldnt exist without the European immigrants, Germans as the primary group and cultural factor, together with the habitat and economy in question.

    There could be independent people, living in close knit communities, not farmers in a wide and often rather foreign land...

    The South has been largely agriculturally based until very recently.
    But for a fast and enduring development, one needs good farmers too, as well as a specific population and community. This was present in the farmer type of the North more often than in the South.

    Of course, we shouldnt forget the Civil War and related issues of interstate-interamerican competition though, yet if just looking at the way of life, the people of the Northern states are just much more like the Europeans at home and kepts more faithfully their cultural potential so to say...

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