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    I guess most of you here have heard something of the hungarian Countess Bathory, who seems to have been the closest thing to a real vampire and who was accused of the murder and torture of hundreds of young slovak and hungarian peasant girls and for using their blood to bathe in it and make herself eternally young and beautiful or at least she tried to get that from the blood of young murdered girls.She was found guilty and sentenced to immurement in part of her castle,where she died after a few years. Many of you may have seen or should see the wonderful Hammer classic horror Countess Dracula or perhaps one of the other films made about her, but there is this one slovak film from a few years ago which tells her story quite differently and supports a popular conspiracy theory according to which she was framed and the victim of a plot by habsburgs and other political enemies and rivals of this ambitious and rather disloyal hungarian aristocratic family, which has an important role in transylvanian history too. Romanian great prince Michael clashed with relatives of here, who were in charge in the principality. Anyway, what do some of you, and especially hungarians and slovaks, know or think about her and this version of her story that has her as victim and not ghoul?

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    trust a internet forum to label it a conspiracy

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    Not just an internet thing and it is a very interesting theory. You should see the film anyway. It is a beautiful historical period piece.

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    Lavish, romanticized account of the life and times of 16th century Hungarian countess Erzsébet Bathory, history's most prolific serial killer...

    BATHORY, a would-be epic with nice period detail, aspires to myth-buster status by painting the "Bloody Countess of Čachtice" as a victim of political chicanery in a male-dominated society but all it accomplishes is a "legend" of its own by white-washing history, facts be damned. Here, as a wealthy woman who's vast holdings could turn the tide in a power struggle between Catholics and Protestants as they fight off a Muslim invasion, Countess Bathory is more sinned against than sinning and framed for crimes she never committed. Yeah, right. Valentine Penrose & Alexander Trocchi's well-researched "The Bloody Countess: Atrocities Of Erzsébet Bathory", offers a significantly different account based on historical records:

    "Descended from one of the most ancient aristocratic families of Europe, Erzsébet Bathory bore the psychotic aberrations of centuries of intermarriage. From adolescence she indulged in sadistic lesbian fantasies where only the spilling of a woman's blood could satisfy her urges. By middle age she had regressed to a mirror-fixated state of pathological necro-sadism involving witchcraft, torture, blood-drinking, cannibalism and, inevitably, wholesale slaughter. These years, at the latter end of the 16th century, witnessed a reign of cruelty unsurpassed in the annals of mass murder with the Countess' depredations on the virgin girls of the Carpathians leading to some 650 deaths. Her many castles were equipped with chambers where she would hideously torture and mutilate her victims, becoming a murder factory where hundreds of girls were killed and processed for the ultimate youth-giving ritual: the bath of blood..."

    In Juraj Jakubisko's film, Erzsébet Bathory is depicted as an intelligent woman ahead of her time and a Protestant preyed upon by the Catholic Church as well as her late husband's covetous best friend although she still finds time for a passionate affair with the Italian painter Caravaggio (!) as her subjects try inventing spring-powered roller skates, phonographs, still photography, and primitive airplanes a la Leonardo Da Vinci. The tale, a de-fanged poison valentine to renaissance Hungary, is served up on a grand scale but twists the truth into a monumental mis-carriage of injustice that's recommended to revisionists only. What's next, JEFFREY DAHMER -THE MUSICAL? Interesting and informative comment by imdb poster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easterner View Post
    Not just an internet thing and it is a very interesting theory. You should see the film anyway. It is a beautiful historical period piece.
    Ive seen the movies read the books, and nowhere is it called a conspiracy but here

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    The only part that doesn't make sense is the claims about bathing in human blood, because blood clots and dries-up quite rapidly on leaving the body so it's debatable how she could bathe in it, although it's more tangible that she drank the blood of her victims and possibly rolled around on the blood-drenched floors and soaked her skin in the freshly drawn blood pools of her victims, believing the blood of virgin girls would give her eternal youth, (but most likely gave her infections).

    But I don't believe the rest is fabricated as I've read several books written by psychologists detailing Bathory's shocking crimes, showing her family tree, her sadistic upbringing, Hungarian translations of letters, eyewitness accounts of the bodies thrown over her castle walls and some eyewitness accounts of friends of the Countess witnessing cruelty taking place, and explaining the extremely barbaric ways in which girls were tortured to death and never seen by their families again.

    I think she had the same sadistic mentality as La Voisin, Gilles de Rais, Vlad Dracule Tepes, Fred and Rose West, Myra Hindley and Ian Brady, and loads of other serial killers and church priests and nuns who tortured kids to death in the most sadistic ways in order to feel 'power' and control. I guess Josef Fritzl will be glamourised next. She lacked the normal human qualities of empathy for other humans feelings whilst she was torturing girls to death for her own pleasure and wanting eternal youth and immortality from their energies and life-force which she drained from them in order to feel power and control over nature.

    Most of the royal families and churches across Europe were burning people and torturing thousands of people to death during Bathory's era as a show of power. Countess Bathory, like Gilles de Rais of France (another glorified paedophile and serial killer of children, only this time the victims were boys), was related to the aristocracy too.

    Serial killers are often glamourised according to criminologists, and Countess Bathory is one of them, like with several US serial killers, Ted Bundy, Gilles de Rais, Jack-the-Ripper films and books and guided tours have made themselves a fortune out of a serial killers blood.

    600 girls were believed to be tortured to death in the most barbaric ways behind her castle walls because she was too cowardly to do what she did in front of adults in the public.

    Todays modern vampires in society and in 'holy-wood' use beauty creams, cosmetic surgery and vitamin pills in their quest to hold onto youth and carnal life for as long as they're able to. (There's also 'money vampires' who drain people for their money, people wanting blood and organ donations and 'psychic vampires' who drain people of their energies by never returning the favours bestowed upon themselves).
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    I don't know how glamourized serial killers were back then though. And it wasn't cowardly, but not totally retarded to hide what she was doing, since she would have been lynched or arrested.

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    If you dont place the actions taken place in their proper frame then you get legends like this. Its exactly the same thing with Vlad Tepes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easterner View Post
    I don't know how glamourized serial killers were back then though. And it wasn't cowardly, but not totally retarded to hide what she was doing, since she would have been lynched or arrested.
    Showing that (even in her own sadistic era of time) she knew the parents of the girls she molested and tortured to death would be looking for them and that she was fully aware she was doing something completely unacceptable, like most child abusers and serial killers are aware of it which is why they do their crimes in secret.
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    It's just so they don't get caught.

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