Muslim students go insane in campus showing anti-Islamic amateur film in Sweden

[Also]

again : I am NOT a muslim (I dont follow any religion) but this is my opinion :

- provoke people until their blood boils

- dont know enough about their religion or the people self but lump them all together and talk shit

- think that terrorists are muslim and vice versa

- insult them as savages when they protect themselves although YOU were the ones who provoked in the first place


well done

instead of worriying about muslims better focus on the real threats like pedophiles , rapists etc. that are nothing rare in the vaild vaild vest

for example in the news yesterday I saw that the police overwhelmed a few men who are accused to produce child porn but they didnt have "enough evidence" so they let them go ....funny thing is that the men admitted that they are into child pornography but oh well .....

they said that here in germany consuming underage porn is like a grey area where you cant really get punished for it

also I will never forget the thread with the swedish pedophile (who was already in jail) being allowed to adopt a child

fuck off seriously .....you call people savages etc. but the real barbarians are you

also the effemination of men like already said and many other fucked up things ...nope I dont like that shit

btw. when you have no balls then everybody who hits on the table and defends himself seems like a violent asshole but the real reason for that is that you are a pussy in most cases ...thank your system for it

and on a side note : one of the nicest people I have met have been muslims ....but what do I know ....

One problem at a time. I am sure there are a lot of pedophiles and even people who are not pedophiles but consume child porn. But none of this changes the facts about muslims, one problem does not cancel the other, it's not like in light of that this completely changes our view of Islam or muslims. You don't see many christians killing or threatening to kill people because they made fun about their religions, and even if they did this would be problem, and not something to be ignored. People get killed for offending islam, they killed Theo van Gogh, they tried already to kill Lars Vilks, and once you have a muslim dominated society there is a great chance they will start persecuting non-muslims and repressing other religions.

From what I've heard in Germany people get fined even for illegaly downloading movies and copyrigth materials, which is something extremely rare in most of the world. Certainly where I live.

[Kiyant]

One problem at a time. I am sure there are a lot of pedophiles and even people who are not pedophiles but consume child porn. But none of this changes the facts about muslims, one problem does not cancel the other, it's not like in light of that this completely changes our view of Islam or muslims. You don't see many christians killing or threatening to kill people because they made fun about their religions, and even if they did this would be problem, and not something to be ignored. People get killed for offending islam, they killed Theo van Gogh, they tried already to kill Lars Vilks, and once you have a muslim dominated society there is a great chance they will start persecuting non-muslims and repressing other religions.

From what I've heard in Germany people get fined even for illegaly downloading movies and copyrigth materials, which is something extremely rare in most of the world. Certainly where I live.

The Germany part is true and it can also get extremely expensive

[Hadouken]

You don't see many christians killing or threatening to kill people because they made fun about their religions, and even if they did this would be problem, and not something to be ignored.

1. most self declared "christians" are not really followers of the Religion but just happen to be born in a "Christian Family" and/or be baptized ....they will go to the church on christmas and on some sundays and think they are really religious

I speak from experience and even a good bunch of my friends are like that

if the western world was really christian then the way of life would be completely different

in this case you will have way more "real" muslims than you will have christians and since religion can also be too much for certain people to handle you will have the possibility of some people freaking out way higher among muslims

2. among the christians there are also people who do shit like priests having "fun" with the boys etc.

and what you are doing here ....with your hate towards muslims may be light to your eyes but certainly not too much of a christian way of behaviour

I also dont see the sense to play ping pong with you now and discuss who are more evil muslims or christians because thats nonsense but it is clear that there are a lot of misunderstandings among people and a lot of prejudice

all I am saying is that there are idiots in every religion and every place but the motivation to hate muslims is nothing but the need for a scapegoat so people can hate hate hate

powered by the media and other things

[Vikar]

Muslims should not be in Scandinavia. They should go back to their countries of origin. Over here, we have freedom of speech and we treasure that. They come here, drain our welfare and then try prevent the "insulting" of Islam of all forms.

[Hàkon]

I disagree here. Sure overreacting with the screams that goes without saying, but I would argue that their blunt refusal as a group to suppress their feelings and pretend to be ok and act "civilized" is sheer human torture and unhealthy in this case.

That would have been a logically legitimate opinion to hold, had it not been so that this lecture, being part of a tour, had been shown, with its identical content, relatively successfully on various locations previous to this; attendees having had to apply to be granted seats, and done so voluntarily, fully aware of who the lecturer is, at the very least, and perhaps even an idea of what to expect.

If one disagrees with the content of a lecture to such an absurd extent, one should leave the hall; there is the option to report the content, the lecturer, the tour manager, even the owner of the facilities, if one takes such grave offence; I do not see how that is to ask too much of adult, fully functioning humans; besides, anything else would be disregarding the Freedom of Speech.

There is no justifying this behaviour without simultaneously reducing them to simple savages.

[dude]

Sweden, brace yourselves for a bombing.

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1. most self declared "christians" are not really followers of the Religion but just happen to be born in a "Christian Family" and/or be baptized ....they will go to the church on christmas and on some sundays and think they are really religious

I speak from experience and even a good bunch of my friends are like that

if the western world was really christian then the way of life would be completely different

in this case you will have way more "real" muslims than you will have christians and since religion can also be too much for certain people to handle you will have the possibility of some people freaking out way higher among muslims

2. among the christians there are also people who do shit like priests having "fun" with the boys etc.

and what you are doing here ....with your hate towards muslims may be light to your eyes but certainly not too much of a christian way of behaviour

I also dont see the sense to play ping pong with you now and discuss who are more evil muslims or christians because thats nonsense but it is clear that there are a lot of misunderstandings among people and a lot of prejudice

all I am saying is that there are idiots in every religion and every place but the motivation to hate muslims is nothing but the need for a scapegoat so people can hate hate hate

powered by the media and other things

Even if christians are less devouted to their religion on average than muslims, they still outnumber muslims, certainly in Europe. So practicing christians are more numerous than practicing muslims in these places, but yet you don't see the same sort of violent behaviour in the same proportion in christians. In a city that is 70% christian and 30% muslims, I bet you'd feel much more safe publicly making fun of chrisitians than of muslims, because you know there is a real possibility you'll end up beaten or killed for making fun of Islam. While for making fun of christian you'll at best get verbally reprehended, maybe even praised for it.

And while I am more than willing to admit there are christians who do bad things, the overall behaviour of christians is not comparable to those of muslims. It simply isn't. What bothers me is that moderate muslims and even non-muslims who come from a muslim country overlook the problem when you point out that among muslims there are more people who act in an unacceptable way, that violent radicals is something more pertinent to the muslim society than to rest. And this is an observable fact, it is not something I am inventing out of prejudice. Why can't some people just say "Yes, it is true that among muslims it is easier to find violent radicals and many of the criticisms put forward are correct. But of course not every muslim is like these" ?

[Hadouken]

Even if christians are less devouted to their religion on average than muslims, they still outnumber muslims, certainly in Europe. So practicing christians are more numerous than practicing muslims in these places,

how that ? Middle east and North Africa is bigger than Europe and Islam is even the state Religion in Countries like Indonesia

there are not that many practising christians I think.....which seems to be relative I see

and the mistake you make right here is typical : every european is christian and every mena is muslim so people who are mena and act like idiots are representative for muslims

I know some guys who say they are muslim or christian and then next day they go drinking , beating people up , visiting prositutes , being hateful etc.

In a city that is 70% christian and 30% muslims, I bet you'd feel much more safe publicly making fun of chrisitians than of muslims, because you know there is a real possibility you'll end up beaten or killed for making fun of Islam. While for making fun of christian you'll at best get verbally reprehended, maybe even praised for it.

why do people make fun of others or insult others in the first place

why cant they just stfu and let people live their lifes ......

people are assholes ....nothing to do with religion

I hate everybody

And while I am more than willing to admit there are christians who do bad things, the overall behaviour of christians is not comparable to those of muslims. It simply isn't. What bothers me is that moderate muslims and even non-muslims who come from a muslim country overlook the problem when you point out that among muslims there are more people who act in an unacceptable way, that violent radicals is something more pertinent to the muslim society than to rest. And this is an observable fact, it is not something I am inventing out of prejudice. Why can't some people just say "Yes, it is true that among muslims it is easier to find violent radicals and many of the criticisms put forward are correct. But of course not every muslim is like these" ?

because they dont act/behave according to Islam why is it so hard to understand ? In Islam it is forbidden to force people , beat up people , etc etc

but of course all the haters know it better

btw. like I said many times : my grandparents were Alevites and there have been incidents where Extremists highly discriminated (still happens) and even killed Alevi people in Turkey

Sivas 93 for example

but I can still see clear

but you know I wont even bother writing more on this issue because I dont see the point right now

I just wanted to post my view and thats it .....shall others discuss with you ....I am not even muslim

[Illancha]

Why can't some people just say "Yes, it is true that among muslims it is easier to find violent radicals and many of the criticisms put forward are correct. But of course not every muslim is like these" ?

Yes, it is true that among Muslims it is easier to find violent radicals and many of the criticisms put forward are correct. But of course not every Muslim is like this.

There I said it.

Now, for your part, I want you to recognise that you have misdiagnosed the ailment. I want you to stop antagonising the religion because that is not where the fault lies. I want you to realise that by continuing to do so you only exacerbate the situation further.

[Also]

how that ? Middle east and North Africa is bigger than Europe and Islam is even the state Religion in Countries like Indonesia

there are not that many practising christians I think.....which seems to be relative I see

and the mistake you make right here is typical : every european is christian and every mena is muslim so people who are mena and act like idiots are representative for muslims

I know some guys who say they are muslim or christian and then next day they go drinking , beating people up , visiting prositutes , being hateful etc.

There are more christians in the world than muslims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...us_populations), and this is also true in Europe as a whole.
And I know very well not every european is christian and not every mena is muslim. I am not assuming that in any of my arguments, I don't know why you are under this impression.

why do people make fun of others or insult others in the first place

why cant they just stfu and let people live their lifes ......

people are assholes ....nothing to do with religion

I hate everybody

They don't have to make fun of others, and probably shouldn't. I am just considering how muslims react compared to the rest of people.

because they dont act/behave according to Islam why is it so hard to understand ? In Islam it is forbidden to force people , beat up people , etc etc

but of course all the haters know it better

btw. like I said many times : my grandparents were Alevites and there have been incidents where Extremists highly discriminated (still happens) and even killed Alevi people in Turkey

Sivas 93 for example

but I can still see clear

but you know I wont even bother writing more on this issue because I dont see the point right now

I just wanted to post my view and thats it .....shall others discuss with you ....I am not even muslim

The thing is different people are telling different things, I don't care about non-violent muslims. But plenty of muslim are killing 'infidels' while screaming "allahu akbar". Going from crucifying christians to beheading them, not to mention islamic countries were you can get arrested for owning a bible and executed for being a christian. You questioned me before:

with your hate towards muslims may be light to your eyes but certainly not too much of a christian way of behaviour

You have this idea that I am being hateful towards muslims for pointing out things, and I do not hide some things they do make my blood boil. I think being omissive and indiferent is the wrong thing to do here.

Yes, it is true that among Muslims it is easier to find violent radicals and many of the criticisms put forward are correct. But of course not every Muslim is like this.

There I said it.

Great step.

Now, for your part, I want you to recognise that you have misdiagnosed the ailment. I want you to stop antagonising the religion because that is not where the fault lies. I want you to realise that by continuing to do so you only exacerbate the situation further.

Then point me clearly where the fault lies. And if it has nothing in any way to do with Islam, much contrary to what it seems, I'll do as you wish, or at the very least reconsider the weight that Islam has on making certain muslims behave in a reprehensible way if you believe I have mistankenly weighted that factor. If you mean just admiting that not all muslims are like this or like that I already do that.