The turkic people and tribes of Iran

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The Khwarazmian empire had a really terrible fate, when the Mongols and Ghegnis Khan sacked and invaded the most important and biggest cities of the Khwarazmian dynasty like Merv, Bukhara, Urgench or the capital Samarkand. These cities were culturally very important for the Islamic world. They were one of the most developed cities in the whole world in that time with many libraries and mosques. All the buildings were destroyed and all inhabitans were killed. Merv in modern Turkmenistan was a megacity and it had a Population of 1.2 million and the Mongols massacred the whole city and its inhabitans in 1 day!!!. Scholars estimate that 85% of the former population of the Khwaremian dynasty were killed

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The Khwarazmian empire had a really terrible fate, when the Mongols and Ghegnis Khan sacked and invaded the most important and biggest cities of the Khwarazmian dynasty like Merv, Bukhara, Urgench or the capital Samarkand. These cities were culturally very important for the islamic world

The Turks in iran eventually took their revenge and pushed them back to central asia under Uzun Hassan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Qarabagh

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The Turks in iran eventually took their revenge and pushed them back to central asia under Uzun Hassan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Qarabagh

The Timurids themselves were mainly Turkic and spoke Chagatay Turkic in their court. However the Mongols couldn't invade India because they lost many battles against the Turkic ruler of the Muslim Delhi Sultanate Alauddin Khilji.

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The Timurids themselves were mainly Turkic and spoke Chagatay Turkic in their court. However the Mongols couldn't invade India because they lost against the Turkic ruler of the Muslim Delhi Sultanate Alauddin Khilji.

They were mainly turko-mongol. Timur the founder of their dynasty was from the Barlas mongol tribe.
They also couldn't invade invade Egypt because the Turkic mamluks stopped them.

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They were mainly turko-mongol. Timur the founder of their dynasty was from the Barlas mongol tribe.
They also couldn't invade invade Egypt because the Turkic mamluks stopped them.

Yes I know that Timurs ancestors were originally Mongols who intermingled with the local Turkic population and got Turkicized in terms of habits and language but you must also consider that Aq Qoyunlus or Kara Qoyunlus have also mixed with Iranians and Caucasian populations.

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Yes I know that Timurs ancestors were originally Mongols who intermingled with the local Turkic population and got Turkicized in terms of habits and language but you must also consider that Aq Qoyunlus or Kara Qoyunlus have also mixed with Iranians and Caucasian populations.

At that time ? I don't think so. They were mainly nomadic and there is no proof that they did mix with caucasians or iranians. Also There is no evidence that they turkifed a huge number of people. I don't think settled Iranian or Caucasian villagers would change there lifestyle and become nomadic. I believe that the oghuz tribes were genetically very close to the region in the first place.

I've read that some Persian and Lur nomads joined the qashqai confederation voluntary though, but not in huge numbers and they also have their own clans.

[StonyArabia]

The Khwarazmian empire had a really terrible fate, when the Mongols and Ghegnis Khan sacked and invaded the most important and biggest cities of the Khwarazmian dynasty like Merv, Bukhara, Urgench or the capital Samarkand. These cities were culturally very important for the Islamic world. They were one of the most developed cities in the whole world in that time with many libraries and mosques. All the buildings were destroyed and all inhabitans were killed. Merv in modern Turkmenistan was a megacity and it had a Population of 1.2 million and the Mongols massacred the whole city and its inhabitans in 1 day!!!. Scholars estimate that 85% of the former population of the Khwaremian dynasty were killed

They did the same in Iraq, this why it became a depopulated and desertified when it was green, they destroyed the irrigation system and the House of Wisdom where they threw the books to the rivers that became black like ink. Arab chronicles mention most of the people fled to Egypt and India. Sad what they did to the Middle Eastern civilization, also the backwardness is largely their legacy in the region as well.

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At that time ? I don't think so. They were mainly nomadic and there is no proof that they did mix with caucasians or iranians. Also There is no evidence that they turkifed a huge number of people. I don't think settled Iranian or Caucasian villagers would change there lifestyle and become nomadic. I believe that the oghuz tribes were genetically very close to the region in the first place.

Nomads or semi-nomads who assimilated local sedentary people isn't rare in history. The same happened with the culturally highly developed Romance speakers in the Balkans when almost all of them were linguistically Slaviczed by the Slavs. The Oghuz were already mixed with the Iranian Scythians like any Turkic group in CA.

And how can you explain why Iranian Azeris cluster genetically closer with Persians or Kurds than rather with Turkmens? Because the Oghuz mixed with the Iranian population since they arrived there in the 10th century. You musn't forget that medieval Iran was ruled mainly by Turkic dynasties.

I divide Turkic peoples in two categories: those who mixed with Scythians, Caucasians and other Indo-Europeans (Oghuz Turks, Tatars) and those who mixed with Mongolic groups ( Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Nogais, Yakuts)

Oh and Uzbeks and Uighurs are a mix of those groups!

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They did the same in Iraq, this why it became a depopulated and desertified when it was green, they destroyed the irrigation system and the House of Wisdom where they threw the books to the rivers that became black like ink. Arab chronicles mention most of the people fled to Egypt and India. Sad what they did to the Middle Eastern civilization, also the backwardness is largely their legacy in the region as well.

You can't blame everything on the mongols. The mongols destroyed a lot of modern Iran and Turkey and a lot of strong empires were based in these countries after the mongol invasion. They managed to brush it off but arabs never had an empire in the region again.

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Nomads or semi-nomads who assimilated local sedentary people isn't rare in history. The same happened with the culturally highly developed Romance speakers in the Balkans when almost all of them were linguistically Slaviczed by the Slavs. The Oghuz were already mixed with the Iranian Scythians like any Turkic group in CA.

And how can you explain why Iranian Azeris cluster genetically closer with Persians or Kurds than rather with Turkmens? Because the Oghuz mixed with the Iranian population since they arrived there in the 10th century. You musn't forget that medieval Iran was ruled mainly by Turkic dynasties.

I dont believe that modern turkmen in turkmenistan are " pure " oghuz, A lot of turko mongol tribes settled modern day turkmenistan and mixid with the locals. The Mongols didn't largely mix with other oghuz turks though( they didn't settle in the region after the 1400s). I believe that the original oghuz were genetically related to iranian and other other west asians even before they came to west asia. The difference is that Turks have mongoloid admix and other west asians don't.