Why doesn't the Soviet Union attract the same stigma that Nazi Germany rightly does?

[Tooting Carmen]

So you see, NationalSocialism was good in principle, and Communism wasn't. That's the truth about it. That is how Germany rose to power from its ashes caused by world Jewry.

That's the point though - Nazism and Communism were BOTH shit. What I am against is the conventional idea that the former was far worse than the latter.

[Virtuous]

That's the point though - Nazism and Communism were BOTH shit. What I am against is the conventional idea that the former was far worse than the latter.

You're one step behind fully realizing that you've been led by your nose all your life. Good on you.

[TCDA1986]

Jews are prominent in the media for sure, but not to the point where they are so dominant and controlling - far from it. Furthermore, the only left-wing newspapers in the UK are The Mirror, The Guardian and The Independent.

OK so I am not pure British so maybe I don't have "right" to comment on this, but I think it is my duty of solidarity to British people who are defending their country, to say the following:

All of the media are owned by the same people through funds, private equity, etc., the illusion that some are "left" and some are "right" is just there to appeal to different markets and keep everyone inside the circle.

All of them support more or less (with slight emphasis more on one or the other and slightly different styles):

social liberalism (eg gay marriage, feminism, mass immigration, multiculturalism)

economic neoliberalism

destruction of the British industrial base

privatization of UK energy reserves and infrastructure into global hand (how can any "right wing patriot" or even a genuine "leftist" support that?)

nuclear power, GM crops, destruction of British environment

indebting of the country to foreign usurers

two party system dominated by socially liberal, economically neoliberal, urbane elites - and very limited participation for the "unwashed masses"

global order of IMF, EU, NATO - and interventionsim (sanctions or military) against those who defy them (see that The Guardian is the one most of all supporting western imperialism in Syria and Ukraine)

OK sorry to go off topic but I think there is something interesting here - this is the unification of communism and capitalism. See above, the post-Communist elites did these exact measures. And in capitalism, in reverse, it happened that the free market measures, allowed the rise of an all powerful "welfare" state serving international interests and not the national population. = same result.

Finally, ONE exception to the above media, only sometimes, is the Daily Mail.

[Tooting Carmen]

OK sorry to go off topic but I think there is something interesting here - this is the unification of communism and capitalism. See above, the post-Communist elites did these exact measures. And in capitalism, in reverse, it happened that the free market measures, allowed the rise of an all powerful "welfare" state serving international interests and not the national population. = same result.

Actually, the philistinism, materialism and contempt towards nature and the environment - shared by both Capitalism and Communism - is something I have written about before. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...-the-same-coin

[SobieskisavedEurope]

In Poland Soviets & Nazis are treated with equal regard.

http://rt.com/politics/poland-bans-communist-symbols/

As usual Poland is one of the only countries that makes sense.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Finally, ONE exception to the above media, only sometimes, is the Daily Mail.

And basically daily mail is just anti-Islam, it goes along with most of the rest. I think this is the one that actually is jewish run if I remember correctly. The rest are VERY pro islam, to a hard to believe degree.

Only point wrong on the list is GM crops, which are american in origin and therefore disliked by europe. There's been much less push for socialized medicine is US for similar reasons - the big drug companies are mostly european.

Anyway europe is shit ass retarded/corrupt in politics since forever (americans left to stop being the peasants the elites were gunning for in the first place), and EU was the crowning touch needed to destroy its people forever and it will soon be nothing but a footnote in history.

[SobieskisavedEurope]

And basically daily mail is just anti-Islam, it goes along with most of the rest. I think this is the one that actually is jewish run if I remember correctly. The rest are VERY pro islam, to a hard to believe degree.

Only point wrong on the list is GM crops, which are american in origin and therefore disliked by europe. There's been much less push for socialized medicine is US for similar reasons - the big drug companies are mostly european.

Anyway europe is shit ass retarded/corrupt in politics since forever (americans left to stop being the peasants the elites were gunning for in the first place), and EU was the crowning touch needed to destroy its people forever and it will soon be nothing but a footnote in history.

Yes, the Daily mail is the most Jewish run of the U.K media.

Daily mail is very anti Islam & very anti-Polish.

Which is not surprising coming from the source.

[Jackson]

I guess because it is politically convenient for multiple parties. Everyone can throw all the blame and atrocity stories on the loser and it probably works out better for those with power, of course truthfulness to events doesn't really matter to these people. No major party in the second world war was not guilty of some pretty sickening events and atrocities, although in my own opinion the Soviet Union was worse than the Third Reich. I think what tips the balance slightly more towards the SU in this regard is the worse attitude towards it's own people. Logically speaking, the bet outcome for a soviet soldier (apart from being in action, winning and surviving) would be to be captured by the Germans - despite in many cases the high mortality rate among Soviet POW's, because i think you'd be more likely to survive in a German POW camp than survive returning to the SU as a defeated person. From what i remember it seems that most of the time failure was met by execution, and in the latter half of the war during the Russian re-advance, blocking units literally made it a one way trip for hundreds of thousands of people, in many cases when they weren't able to be armed they were simply sent without arms.

It was a battle of ideologies as well, and an extremely brutal one at that.

[Jackson]

That's the point though - Nazism and Communism were BOTH shit. What I am against is the conventional idea that the former was far worse than the latter.

My experience growing up is that while Communism is generally not talked about that much (except by very leftist people/teachers/etc), Nazism is pretty much considered Satanic. I don't think the aims of NS were any more or less extreme than Communism. And one thing that has always made me curious about these events is that throughout school and college it was easy to recognize this extreme bias, and yet when you look more into it you start seeing more and more contradictions.

I think you get to a point where you go from inside the bubble to outside the bubble so to speak, when you realise that most of what you thought it was is actually not. For me this came with events in Syria - I could see firsthand public opinion and even the facts of the matter being distorted entirely, and then you realise that a large part of the people and institutions you used to trust are absolutely not worthy of trust. This makes you feel less secure, and a lot of things start to make more sense. Some people take it a stage or too further and come to some odd conclusions with the more out-there conspiracy theories (reptilians and the sort, you know).

I think the key thing to remember is that you are being bombarded with various forms of propaganda all the time. It's not necessarily that propaganda (in the form of truthful propaganda, attempting to convert based on facts, advertising a point) is fundamentally bad, but that people should be aware of it in all it's forms. One thing i realized is how much people are not free or independent. A free society really equates more to the perception of freedom than to actual freedom. And also to someone's definition of freedom, and to how much freedom is just right.

An important thing to remember is that people are very, very susceptible to having their minds made up for them, i know for the most part mine was until fairly recently, in varying amounts.

I would go so far as to argue that a person can make another person believe pretty much anything given the right circumstances, usually for their manipulation.

[Anglojew]

Simple.

The mainstream media, academia and intellectuals are leftists. The majority of whom, if old enough, supported the USSR.