How much Turkish blood in Bosnia?

**~~Moje ime~~** · 03-14-2019, 10:45 PM

What about Y haplogroups? Is there ones considered "Turkish"? Autosomal may be by female lines also.

**~~Ice~~** · 03-14-2019, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Such faces can not be found among Bosnian Muslims.
Swarthy Bosnian Muslims have different features and vibe than this guy and many Sandžakian Muslims, they still looks European unlike Sandžakians.

Some turks look just european. I'm alpine+pontid. but my east asian admixture is quite high. I can pass in easern europe/southern europe.

That guy can be everything (turk, converted greek/italian etc). No need to send him back to turkey anyway.

**Marmara** · 03-14-2019, 10:47 PM

This post of mine should have ended all the discussion, but people ignore it just because they want to believe Sandzak muslims are Turkish, without any genetic proof.

Originally Posted by Marmara

Here is people with actual Turkish admixture. They are Macedonian Yörüks, native Turkish speakers with high Turkish/Turkic DNA.

**Ayetooey** · 03-14-2019, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Marmara

This post of mine should have ended all the discussion, but people ignore it just because they want to believe Sandzak muslims are Turkish, without any genetic proof.

Stop being a fool. No one claimed Sandzakians are half Turkic; even in Turkey the peak of Turkic ancestry is only 10-15%, with east Turks having close to 0%, so how can you POSSIBLY expect Sandzakians to resemble central Asians with "minor Turkish". Read through the lines, people obviously refer to predominantly ANATOLIAN admixture. I did provide evidence to you but you conveniently ignored it to post propaganda.

Sandzakians are predominantly Albanian, with Serbian and minor Turkish admixture. No one claims they're Turkic people. You're fighting against an argument no one is making.

**~~Ford~~** · 03-14-2019, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Moje ime

What about Y haplogroups? Is there ones considered "Turkish"? Autosomal may be by female lines also.

Don't know for sure but I did see one guy on poreklo who had a Turkish surname. Can't find it right not but it ended with -oglu.

**Marmara** · 03-14-2019, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Stop being a fool. No one claimed Sandzakians are half Turkic; even in Turkey the peak of Turkic ancestry is only 10-15%, with east Turks having close to 0%, so how can you POSSIBLY expect Sandzakians to resemble central Asians with "minor Turkish". Read through the lines, people obviously refer to predominantly ANATOLIAN admixture. I did provide evidence to you but you conveniently ignored it to post propaganda.

Ottoman Empire did not consist only Anatolia, neither were Turks the only Muslims there. Obviously something fucked up happened there but it's not about Turks, so who are you going to blame? Armenians? Anatolian Greeks?

I'm from the southeastern edge of Anatolia and even i look whiter than these guys.

**Pribislav** · 03-14-2019, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Stop being a fool. No one claimed Sandzakians are half Turkic; even in Turkey the peak of Turkic ancestry is only 10-15%, with east Turks having close to 0%, so how can you POSSIBLY expect Sandzakians to resemble central Asians with "minor Turkish". Read through the lines, people obviously refer to predominantly ANATOLIAN admixture. I did provide evidence to you but you conveniently ignored it to post propaganda.

Sandžakians are predominantly islamized Ghegh Albanians (Malesors), with Serbian/Montenegrin, Anatolian (not Turkic) and Middle Eastern influence.

**Vožd** · 03-14-2019, 10:52 PM

I think Pribislav's stories about Sandzakians are exaggerated, and photos are cherypicked (always using same people).

**Ayetooey** · 03-14-2019, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Marmara

Ottoman Empire did not consist only Anatolia, neither were Turks the only Muslims there. Obviously something fucked up happened there but it's not about Turks, so who are you going to blame? Armenians? Anatolian Greeks?

I'm from the southeastern edge of Anatolia and even i look whiter than these guys.

What I poined out in my previous post was that there was migrations not only from Turkey, but from the levant and the caucus; the guy I posted has minor Arabian as an example. So they could definetely have other admixs without a doubt. Look up Esad Dudžo for a good example, he surely has levant admixture.

I want to be clear, we don't have any autosomal samples posted from Novi Pazar, only Y dna results. The argument here is based off historical evidence, the fact that the city was founded by Turks, there was migrations from the ottoman empire, and all the Muslims there identified as Turks which indicates probable mixing. As well as off phenotype evidence. Once we have some actual autosomal data from Novi Pazar you may be proven right, there may be little Anatolian influence, perhaps Levant. No one is claiming these people are predominantly Turkic though, in the same sense as actual Balkan Turks who have central asian admixture quite heavily in some cases.