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Thread: Have more people died at the hands of Atheists, than believers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Also View Post
    I couldn't event commit a fallacy there. In what you quoted I was simply stating the point of this topic not making a logic argument. That is the point of this thread.
    Wrong again. The point of this thread was to try and prove that communists kill more people than religious people because of their atheism, which is false. There is no logic being used here except pseudologic.
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    And communism involves atheism. So communism makes people atheist. That's somewhat like saying Judaism doesn't cause people to believe in God.
    Tell it to the Christian socialists of Europe. And Judaism is a religion which involves a God. Communism is an ideology about the restructuring of society favouring the working class.
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    To state that "the millions who died at the hands of Soviet, Nazi, Polpot, North Korea, China etc. far exceed those killed by religious wars.".
    Nope. See above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Methmatician View Post
    Wrong again. The point of this thread was to try and prove that communists kill more people than religious people because of their atheism, which is false. There is no logic being used here except pseudologic.

    Tell it to the Christian socialists of Europe. And Judaism is a religion which involves a God. Communism is an ideology about the restructuring of society favouring the working class.

    Nope. See above.
    When did the OP stated that the reason atheists killed more people was because they were atheists? I haven't said that in this thread myself either. You came up with things with spill "fallacy" like you are making a big point when people weren't even explicitly making that causality connection which you are eager to refute.

    The question in the tile is "Have more people died at the hands of Atheists, than believers?" and the answer is yes. Why was it so is a different question, even if it is true that their atheism had absolutely nothing to do with that then the answer is still 'yes' and to say it is so is not a fallacy. The first thing you post was "false cause fallacy" but no one had even mentioned anything about their atheism being the efficient cause of the mass murders. Personally I doubt it had nothing to do with it but I know it wasn't simply a matter of atheism.

    Wheter it was or was not can be discussed but I am not going to discuss with you if atheist leaders are heavily overrepresented among mass murderers because it is obvious that they are.

    And communism in its original form is clearly atheist. I didn't know there was such a thing such as a "Christian communist" movement but I guess people create weird and contradictory things. And of course all the leaders of the communist regimes we had were atheists themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sokol View Post
    Communists and to a lesser degree Nazis, were/are Atheists. Therefore the millions who died at the hands of Soviet, Nazi, Polpot, North Korea, China etc. far exceed those killed by religious wars. What do you think?
    1-Communists weren't necessary atheists. Atheist =/= Irreligious. Stalin used to be an Orthodox Christian. The Castro brothers are Deists. Mao was a Confucianist and so on...
    2-Nazis were Christofascists, they sent atheists to the concentration camps and imposed Christian textbooks in the schools.
    3-Pol Pot was a Buddhist. Buddhism doesn't worship any deity, but does believe that the soul can reach a deity like status.
    4-The North Korean leaders have created their own cults, not a very atheistic thing to do...
    5-Millions died in the Communist regimes, none of them was killed for not being an atheist.

    Have a nice day.

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    Nazis arent atheist

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