European Elections 2014

[LightHouse89]

the libertarian political base lacks any sort of political coherence, the electorate ranges from potheads to neo-nazis, GOP gays to folks like yourself. in other words, they are doomed to be indecisive and quite useless even if they had power.
which, lets face it, is very unlikely to happen.

not really constitutionalists prefer smaller government [state government] and generally agree [not always openly] with secessionists. white power types tag along because 100% of libertarians are generally white people [even though their agenda is more anti government than anti other races or religions]. Republicans recently have started supporting these ideas where as before yes it was viewed as a lunatic fringe idea. Does it shock you that the republican vote is in a way very dependent on secessionist/libertarian votes. Take Sarah Palin afew years ago when she was running for governor of Alaska she in order to win had to appeal to the secessionist parties vote. This means in turn she had to do or work more for them than the groups that did not support her.

Libertarianism is popular in some places and not popular in places like where I live. However If I go to Maine, Vermont or New Hampshire they are generally more sympathetic with my views. The more liberal somewhere is here the more anti traditional America it is. By this I mean they openly say how we should get rid of things like freedom of speech or the right to own guns etc.... there will be a civil war here and it most likely will be ignited by the left. GOP does not support gays..... this isn't like Europe, the closest right wingers who don't mind gays are libertarians as they do not believe in religion + state where as republicans do not mind imposing Christianity or Christian values on the country [they believe in American traditionalism/or a more conservative social country]. However republicans here are more interested in representing their real masters which are just rich people.....libertarians and white supremacists generally look out for the well being of working class and middle class white americans. the rich will have to support us whether they like it or not.

Since Obama took office right wing groups have increased from 300 plus to over 1,000 and that was in 2008 and since they have continued to rise. If that does not say much then I do not know what does? not to mention a border that is continuously ignored [on purpose as liberals and rich people need their voting base], the more pissed off we are getting here. This system is not for us and has zero loyalty to us and that is a cultural issue here so we would like to take back the nation our ancestors created.

My ideas are very popular out west and down south by the way. The issue isn't the voting base but the electoral college here which is rigged and corrupt.

[Aunt Hilda]

not really constitutionalists prefer smaller government [state government] and generally agree [not always openly] with secessionists. white power types tag along because 100% of libertarians are generally white people [even though their agenda is more anti government than anti other races or religions]. Republicans recently have started supporting these ideas where as before yes it was viewed as a lunatic fringe idea. Does it shock you that the republican vote is in a way very dependent on secessionist/libertarian votes. Take Sarah Palin afew years ago when she was running for governor of Alaska she in order to win had to appeal to the secessionist parties vote. This means in turn she had to do or work more for them than the groups that did not support her.

Libertarianism is popular in some places and not popular in places like where I live. However If I go to Maine, Vermont or New Hampshire they are generally more sympathetic with my views. The more liberal somewhere is here the more anti traditional America it is. By this I mean they openly say how we should get rid of things like freedom of speech or the right to own guns etc.... there will be a civil war here and it most likely will be ignited by the left. GOP does not support gays..... this isn't like Europe, the closest right wingers who don't mind gays are libertarians as they do not believe in religion + state where as republicans do not mind imposing Christianity or Christian values on the country [they believe in American traditionalism/or a more conservative social country]. However republicans here are more interested in representing their real masters which are just rich people.....libertarians and white supremacists generally look out for the well being of working class and middle class white americans. the rich will have to support us whether they like it or not.

Since Obama took office right wing groups have increased from 300 plus to over 1,000 and that was in 2008 and since they have continued to rise. If that does not say much then I do not know what does? not to mention a border that is continuously ignored [on purpose as liberals and rich people need their voting base], the more pissed off we are getting here. This system is not for us and has zero loyalty to us and that is a cultural issue here so we would like to take back the nation our ancestors created.

My ideas are very popular out west and down south by the way. The issue isn't the voting base but the electoral college here which is rigged and corrupt.

very popular implies that they are the majority in all the the states, you know this is not true. Obama got both the electoral and popular vote in 2008 and 2012.

[LightHouse89]

very popular implies that they are the majority in all the the states, you know this is not true. Obama got both the electoral and popular vote in 2008 and 2012.

Hmm ever hear of the Black Caucus? Electoral College? Each state gets representation and each state the number is different. So If one state has a smaller population than the other....lets say X amount and the state next to it gets X amount but it is higher than the first state mentioned then during a political race the electoral college will decide [giving the popularity in the most populated places] who should be given points [democat vs republican or independent]. Its kind of hard to explain but it isn't like Europe at all. The voting system here isn't even regulated and you can vote multiple times which some inner city blacks did do during the second election, even Bushes second election was highly questionable. The district of Columbia gets 12 electoral votes....while my state gets three yet the population in my state is larger. Washington DC also houses one of the largest Negro communities in the country so it is of no surprise the liberals get 12 free points on top of many more thanks to California getting more electoral votes.

Now if the feds continue to go down this route it is already being proposed to break away from the Union because it really doesn't look out ofr us at all. This government cares more about minorities and illegal immigrants than it does about us. Alaska is not far away from breaking away from the Union. Texas is another state that is thinking of forming their own republic. My uncle from Vermont is a member of the secessionist paty there. Hopefully mostly white states break away one by one [which is legal], and we can form our own republics and impose strict immigration laws. [blacks excluded entirely].

[Aunt Hilda]

Hmm ever hear of the Black Caucus? Electoral College? Each state gets representation and each state the number is different. So If one state has a smaller population than the other....lets say X amount and the state next to it gets X amount but it is higher than the first state mentioned then during a political race the electoral college will decide [giving the popularity in the most populated places] who should be given points [democat vs republican or independent]. Its kind of hard to explain but it isn't like Europe at all. The voting system here isn't even regulated and you can vote multiple times which some inner city blacks did do during the second election, even Bushes second election was highly questionable. The district of Columbia gets 12 electoral votes....while my state gets three yet the population in my state is larger. Washington DC also houses one of the largest Negro communities in the country so it is of no surprise the liberals get 12 free points on top of many more thanks to California getting more electoral votes.

Now if the feds continue to go down this route it is already being proposed to break away from the Union because it really doesn't look out ofr us at all. This government cares more about minorities and illegal immigrants than it does about us. Alaska is not far away from breaking away from the Union. Texas is another state that is thinking of forming their own republic. My uncle from Vermont is a member of the secessionist paty there. Hopefully mostly white states break away one by one [which is legal], and we can form our own republics and impose strict immigration laws. [blacks excluded entirely].

I am aware of the electoral system. but my point still stands, indepenents are fringe political groups with no actual power, and I doubt it's going to change any time soon. Not that I care, really.

[Mazik]

mazik seeing you are the only swede here, is there any reason why swedes are so liberal or on the left in their politics? I mean I am fascinated at the reason as to why?

Well, the left-leaning social democrats pretty much built and formed this country. The "folkhemmet", welfare state and such is deeply integrated as a part of the Swedish society. Too much change from the current model (with welfare state, free health care etc) wouldn't work.

Folkhemmet at it's prime:


The 2nd biggest party in the Swedish history, the former "högerpartiet de konservativa" (the conservative right party), now more known as "Moderaterna", is nowadays a social liberal party. And they are not much different from the social democrats today, when it comes to the economical part. They are still seen as an right party though, by Swedish standards, by American standards they would be seen as an leftist and "liberal" party though

[LightHouse89]

Well, the left-leaning social democrats pretty much built and formed this country. The "folkhemmet", welfare state and such is deeply integrated as a part of the Swedish society. Too much change from the current model (with welfare state, free health care etc) wouldn't work.

Folkhemmet at it's prime:


The 2nd biggest party in the Swedish history, the former "högerpartiet de konservativa" (the conservative right party), now more known as "Moderaterna", is nowadays a social liberal party. And they are not much different from the social democrats today, when it comes to the economical part. They are still seen as an right party though, by Swedish standards, by American standards they would be seen as an leftist and "liberal" party though

Sweden needs a third position party. I watched something on vice of some leftist socialist party that apeeared very militant. I am glad though that the same groups in Ireland are disappearing. Low Unemployment + Impoverished economy tends to make people more radical on the right except in America where ti seems you have two camps....very leftist people [most of which have no brains] and paleoconservatives which tend to be right wing rich people. The only issue with them is they do little to nothing to win over the white working class. Unfortunately the Neo-Conservative Republicans win them over here [they are half of the reason this country lost its industry and put jobs over seas]. I like the Tea Party here and American Third Position party. I use to support the American Nazi Party but learned they are really just a laughing stock for the media and pretty useless politically.

[LightHouse89]

I am aware of the electoral system. but my point still stands, indepenents are fringe political groups with no actual power, and I doubt it's going to change any time soon. Not that I care, really.

not really independents lean more with republicans. There is groups out there like the old paleoconservatives [old school democrats] and many of them are rich, they are firm supporters of the Tea Party. The issue with the Tea Party is they put too much emphasis on the healthcare debate and do it somewhat irrationally. I know the heathcare thing could have been easily changed over for Mitt Romney during the last election and he could have won had he proclaimed a reform for healthcare under what he did in my state Massachusetts when he was governor....we are the only state not suffering because of retarded democrat obamacare. But here groups that are the most fringe would be groups like the American Nazi Party which is mostly comprised of blue collar working class whites but politically they are powerless. Paleoconservatives are the future for right wing people and generally they support Libertarians and it is vice versa. Right wing people sort of vote in a bipartisan manner, and that is just American politics...the problem is getting what we want in the white house and in the senate/congress. I would support a transfer of power from federal to more power to each state and an isolationist approach with minimal foreign policy which Republicans here would never support. I also would support a return to the 1924 Racial Immigration act [limit third world immigration and immigration from socialist countries]. This could only be achieved by using and manipulating democrats and republicans and by pressing on them to do something about the border....if they do not then independents and libertarians have a chance because they will see just how much this government doesn't give a damn about us.