People of Argentina

[Feral]

The immigration figures in Argentina is highly exaggerated. People with noticeable Amerindian traits are about 50% of the population.

Emphasized, not exaggerated. These immigrations happened, but also did miscegenation. The pre-immigration population was already mixed even if there was a castizo-criollo majority. So, if we say half of the population is mixed it's clearly true, due the miscegination with the previous population, but isn't that monochromical, it's a gradual scale --sort to speak; so we can't say that because of this 50%, the immigration input is false and/or exaggerated. Criollos, if we take your estimation, would be half of the population, while the average mixed argentinean wouldn't be 50/50, but would be on the range 80~100% (harnizo~castizo/criollo).
One also needs to understand that the vast majority of our population is highly concentrated on the capital (Buenos Aires, and most than all, GBA). In fact, GBA is one of the most populated cities in the world. That is to say that in GBA, in centric zones, you would find around 5/10 criollos/castizos (90~100%), 3/10 pred. euro mestizos (50~90%) and 2/10 pred. indo mestizos (10~50%). While in other provinces, it would variate, and as immigrations happened more in the pampean areas, there would be more 'colonial' descendants than recent euro-descendants. But, still, wouldn't be the representative majority of Argentina.

[Fedex]

How do you know? Have you traveled to argentina?

Yes, many times actually, MY estimation is 50% pure European and 50% mixed (mestizo, castizo, cholo)

[perikolez]

Emphasized, not exaggerated. These immigrations happened, but also did miscegenation. The pre-immigration population was already mixed even if there was a castizo-criollo majority. So, if we say half of the population is mixed it's clearly true, due the miscegination with the previous population, but isn't that monochromical, it's a gradual scale --sort to speak; so we can't say that because of this 50%, the immigration input is false and/or exaggerated. Criollos, if we take your estimation, would be half of the population, while the average mixed argentinean wouldn't be 50/50, but would be on the range 80~100% (harnizo~castizo/criollo).
One also needs to understand that the vast majority of our population is highly concentrated on the capital (Buenos Aires, and most than all, GBA). In fact, GBA is one of the most populated cities in the world. That is to say that in GBA, in centric zones, you would find around 5/10 criollos/castizos (90~100%), 3/10 pred. euro mestizos (50~90%) and 2/10 pred. indo mestizos (10~50%). While in other provinces, it would variate, and as immigrations happened more in the pampean areas, there would be more 'colonial' descendants than recent euro-descendants. But, still, wouldn't be the representative majority of Argentina.

Your are right when you say that most population live in pampean region , but on the other hand, most population in the pampean region live in Great Buenos Aires, Rosario and Cordoba , who are the blackest area of pampean region, invaded by argentinean northerners. It is probably that 30-40 % of the population in the cities come from the poorest provinces. In my opinion colonial descendents are at least as representative as european inmigrants. Numerically they are predomnantly in 80% of argentinean territory, and they are a very numerous minority in bigger cities. In my opinion is more typical argentinean a Montenegro, Maidana, Ledesma, Leguizamon, Santillan, Sosa, etc than a Bianchi , Messi , Russo or Rossi.


Finally, argentinean colonial or mixed is clearly harnizo,mestizo or even indomestizo. Corrientes , Santiago del Estero or San Juan average people arent criollo- castizo. Although in those provinces you also can find a good amount of criollo-castizo middle class people, most people couldnt pass as european . They are similar to chilean average people.

[Fedex]

Your are right when you say that most population live in pampean region , but on the other hand, most population in the pampean region live in Great Buenos Aires, Rosario and Cordoba , who are the blackest area of pampean region, invaded by argentinean northerners. It is probably that 30-40 % of the population in the cities come from the poorest provinces. In my opinion colonial descendents are at least as representative as european inmigrants. Numerically they are predomnantly in 80% of argentinean territory, and they are a very numerous minority in bigger cities. In my opinion is more typical argentinean a Montenegro, Maidana, Ledesma, Leguizamon, Santillan, Sosa, etc than a Bianchi , Messi , Russo or Rossi.

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I was going to point that, you see a lot of Amerindian people in Buenos Aires that came from the north.

[RMuller]

I dont think that Argentina was once happy . Argentina in the beginning of XXth century was full of very poor people. If Argentina was "ritch" , then cabecitas wouldnt have been emigrated to Buenos Aires or Rosario. The ritchness of Argentina between 1900 to 1950 is very overrated.

Pienso que Mr. Perikolez en su vida pasada era un Peronista descamisado .Era fanatico de Evita Peron y su phenotype era 'harnizo" range y nacio en Jujuy y despues emigro a Buenos Aires . Y era fanatico de Boca Juniors.

[Feral]

Your are right when you say that most population live in pampean region , but on the other hand, most population in the pampean region live in Great Buenos Aires, Rosario and Cordoba , who are the blackest area of pampean region, invaded by argentinean northerners. It is probably that 30-40 % of the population in the cities come from the poorest provinces. In my opinion colonial descendents are at least as representative as european inmigrants. Numerically they are predomnantly in 80% of argentinean territory, and they are a very numerous minority in bigger cities. In my opinion is more typical argentinean a Montenegro, Maidana, Ledesma, Leguizamon, Santillan, Sosa, etc than a Bianchi , Messi , Russo or Rossi.


Finally, argentinean colonial or mixed is clearly harnizo,mestizo or even indomestizo. Corrientes , Santiago del Estero or San Juan average people arent criollo- castizo. Although in those provinces you also can find a good amount of criollo-castizo middle class people, most people couldnt pass as european . They are similar to chilean average people.

I was writting, and accentally closed this tab. -.-

I was saying that I mostly agree, with the exception of what the average argentine would be. Altought I've said that miscegenations isn't 'monochromical', but gradual. If we want to make an unrealistic average, we can said that we have to make an average between an hypothetical pred euro (90% euro) and pred indo (10% euro) that would end on an 50% euro averaged mixed argentinean. I've hardly seem pred. indo argentinean unless they aren't actually argentineans but paraguayans and/or boliveans.
My best estimation was to say that the averaged mixed argentinean would be in the range of 80~100% euro. And this is based not just only in my daily perception as a rioplatense, but in statistics and censuses of self-perceived 'ethnicity'. A mestizo (50/50), unless he is off his mind, wouldn't identify as 'white'. Only people over the range of 70 identifies, by itself or by others, as white, for what I've seen.
Let's remember that this is the american continent, the 'New World'; 'whiteness' isn't related to 'europeaness' but to 'americaness', so isn't about if these people can pass as europeans or not, but about how their ancestry is composed. That is to say, there's a misinterpretation related to the ethnic composition of Argentina. If the statistics or censuses say that our population is 85% white, for example, people might think this is because this population is pure european, which is clearly not, but it still means that our population is predominantly white. That it's to say, that if we said that the average mixed argentinean should be between a 90% euro and a 50% euro, just for rounded it up, then the average would be 70% euro, which still makes the average argentinean 'mestizo' an pred. euro person. Something that's determinant to our overall and representative ethnic identity.

Also the total population of Corrientes, Santiago del Estero and San Juan, are only 6.4% (2,570,226) of the argentinean population. So, there's a logic flaw related to the argentinean territory. Argentina is a large place, and most of it isn't populated. Isn't logical to say the rest of our provinces are more important or relevant than the most populated provinces, just because they occuppied more territory. By itself, Buenos Aires it's the 38.9% of the argentinean population, in the census of 2010; Cordoba, its 8.2%; Santa Fe, its 7.9%. These provinces, without counting with Misiones, Corrientes and Entre Rios, which also conform the argentinean pampean area, are more than the half of the population.
If we say that in the pampean area the average mixed argentinean is around 85% E. (harnizo~castizo), while average mixed argentinean in the rest of Argentina is 65% E. (mestizo~harnizo), the average mixed argentinean would be 75% E. If we round it up and say that 25% of the population is 100% E., 50% is 75% E. and 25% 50% E., the average mixed argentinean is still 75% E.

[Iroczor]

Is Salta is heavily populated by Bolivians?

[Feral]

Is Salta is heavily populated by Bolivians?

Most probably, yes.

http://www.diariouno.com.ar/pais/Ind...0128-0076.html

[Lemonhead]

Is Salta is heavily populated by Bolivians?

I don't think so, they are pred. Native American Argentines on average because it is close to Bolivia and not because it's populated by Bolivians.

[Iroczor]

I don't think so, they are pred. Native American Argentines on average because it is close to Bolivia and not because it's populated by Bolivians.

Not according to this video i have just seen, listen to her experiences with the local people carefully.




Some of those folks have long ties to that land, correct me if i'm wrong but i think some of that land used to be part of Bolivia.