Who Were The Phoenicians?

[wvwvw]

It is also not true that all the people of Phoenicia called themselves Cannaites and that noone apart the Greeks called them Phoenicians.

We have the Phoenicians own words such as those of Philo that they called themselves Phoenicians and we know from him as well as Herodotus and others exactly which group of people they covered. Phoenicians was a tribal name used to describe the descendents of Phoenix and the land they occupied.

There is also fixed moment in time where Canaaite culture shifted into a Phoenician. 1454 BC according to Jerome is the year in which Phoenix left Egypt and ruled in Tyre. The year in which he brought with him Phoenician script which was based on Proto-Sinaitic and the Canaanites started using it and were named Phoenicians after him.

You will find all of these historical facts confirmed by the archaeology. A shift in material culture takes placed from the moment the Canaanites start using Phoenician script and are called Phoenicians after Phoenix.

I am not talking about a break in occupation. We are talking about a change of material culture which did occur in 1450 BC because of the adoption of Proto-Sinaitic script. Before 1454 BC the Phoenicians used Cuneiform script.

Remember it was Phoenix a Greek who brought a new script to Phoenicia, at the same time his brother Cadmus brought the same script to Greece. Change of script = change in material culture.

Proto-Sinaitic script does not appear outside of Sinai untill 1450 BC. Therefore there is a change of script = change in material culture brought about by Phoenix.

Phoenix invented Phoenician script and to it to Tyre in 1454 BC. Nobody disputes this because it is written down in the history books and has not been contradicted by anything else.

The Egyptians were ruled by the Greek Hyksos dynasty which is culturally Achaean for over half a century. The Egyption word Hyksos is from the same root as Ekwesh and referes to the Achaean Greek Sea People who came to Egypt at the time that Zeus conquered Kronos and drove them into Asia in 1675 BC which corresponds archeologically to a time when the Minoan palace civilisation was destroyed and rebuilt.

Egyptians themselves called them E-QA-TA and said the came to Egypt 50 years before the Thera Eruption. Even the Phoenician Kronos name Elys is the name given in the bible for the eponymous ancestor of the Greeks, Elysa the son of Javan.

They had their own ideograms that were completely different to those of the Egyptians. They had to be otherwise the letters corresponding to the representations would have all been pronounced wrongly corresponding to Egyptian names rather than Phoenician.

The advent of Proto-Sinaitic ie 1800-1400 BC. and then the adoption of Phoenician script, 1430 BC is the date which Jerome says that Cadmus founded Thebes and brought Cadmean script to Greece and 1450 is when he says Phoenix founded Phoenicia therefore this is when we can start talking about Phoenicians proper.

[wvwvw]

The Phoenicians themselves appear to have been similar, or even the same people, as the Israelites (with whom they had many linguistic, religious and cultural links) but also had many cultural links with the Greeks.

Some people even speculate Jews and Phoenicians were the same people and Sephardi communities descend from Phoencians.

So who are the Phoenicians?

The question is who are the Jews?

El the main god of the Phoenicians was the same god as Kronos and Saturn and all the archaeological evidence points to the fact that he came from Crete was was in fact the Minoan king Satur who reigned in 1700 BC. The evidence also shows that Jehovah his son was the Egyptian Pahroah Meruserenre Yakubher with reigne in 1673 BC.

The Jewish religion doesn’t appear until well into Hellenistic times. No artifacts, no trace that shows it existed earlier. Up until Herod the people of Judea worshiped the Gods of the Phoenicians pantheon including Kronos, as separate entries. Herods priesthood syncretised them when the OT was translated into Greek. The Jews copied the Egyptians and went even further an syncretised all of their Gods into one and even merged Greek Gods such as the God of Plato in with it.

All of Syria-Palestine was part of Egypt since before the time of Adam (1800 BC) up until the time of Nebuchadnezzar. The Jews, Hebrews and Israelites are all inventions of the Maccabees. There is no historical or archaeological evidence for them as they are described in the bible. Not a shred of any Jewish culture has been found in Palestine dating to before Hellenistic times whereas Greece is full of evidence of the Gods and Heroes and their palaces and their religion going back to Mycenean and Minoan times which corresponds the Greek historical texts from Homer onwards.

The Jews are a people who’s ancestry was made up by Judas Maccabee hence their name Ioudai after Judas, and their religion was concocted in the time of King Herod who build their temple.

The Jews are a made up people based on the original inhabitants of the land. The biblical tribe of Dan is for example based on the Danaen Greeks who are mentioned in Egyptians records and for whom archaeological evidence exists in Syria-Palestine. The Ioudai were a tribe from Crete. Most biblical figures have been plagiaries from the histories of Armenians, Phrygians, Greeks, Egyptians, Mitanni, Scythians and Medes and falsely presented as being Jews or their God because at one time ruled over Palestine.

The so called Judean king Manesses (Amnoneses) is probably the Median king Deioces since the date and length of his reign is almost exactly the same give or take one or two years. The Greek word Dios in his name meaning God was replaced with the Egyptian Ammon who the Greeks identified with Dios or Zeus.

The Judean king Ioas was probably the Phoenecian king Pygmalion since both came to the throne at the same age, in virtually the same year, reigned for equal amounts of time and the circumstances of their coming to the throne was because a priest called Matten/Matgenus was died or was murdered. The bible only concentrates on the kings of Jerusalem and Samaria which were centres of the Phoenician Yam/Jehovah cult so whereas the Moabite stone says that Omri reigned for 40 years the bible says it was only 12 because before this Omri reigned elsewhere.

[OdisseusOfiucus]

They were a kind of canaanites that love to trade and develop the modern system of writting in which latin and hebrew is based.

[Abdelnour]

Do we have Eurogenes K13 GEDMatch results of the Phoenicians?

[Zeus]

I always knew them as a sea-faring, semitic peoples who originally occupied the modern area of the levant. As well as being the ancestors of many of the great Carthaginians. Never thought of them as similar in any way to Israelites or greeks, but no way to know for sure now...

[Tertius]

Here is one of reconstructions.
His maternal haplogroup was U5b2c1.

[Odelia]

They were a group of Cannanites who were more in contact with the Hellenic world that's all. Today they are extinct and no one really can claim direct descent from them.

What's with the ignorance in these boards! I'll be easy on this post because it was from 7 years ago. No hun, Phoenicians pretty much got absorbed into other groups that they interbred with. But today's Lebanese people can claim a somewhat direct descent from them, because that's where Phoenicia was and many people from the Levant do look distinct from Arab invaders....You Arabs didn't fully eclipse native Levantines with your blood, just saying! And if you look at a map, you'd see that the Phoenicians got around! Their Semitic language (including variety Punic) was spoken in what is now southern Spain, Sardinia and Sicily (besides North Africa)...This just shows tells us how and why some southern Europeans look Levantine. I'm certain Spaniards in the south of Spain have Phoenician in them....Wow, Spaniards having Semitic speaking ancestry, pretty interesting! My Italian side is Sicilian, so even I have might have some Phoenician in me and I'm proud of that!

[Gallop]

Speaking of ancient populations:


Libyophenicians
Libyophenicians or Libyio-Phoenicians (Greek: Λιβυøοινικων, Latin: Libyphoenices) is the generic name given to some peoples of North Africa, settled mainly in the lands and colonies belonging to the Carthaginian Empire, by classical sources.

Background
In the period between the end of the 6th century and the beginning of the 5th century BC, the Carthaginian Empire developed an expansion policy based on the formation of colonies in the central western Mediterranean area, mainly in North Africa, west of Egypt. The colonies created at this stage allowed Carthage to consolidate its dominion over its ancient foundations and to expand into territories outside Africa, such as Sicily, Sardinia, Ibiza and the south of the Iberian Peninsula. This policy of expansion was made effective through the displacement of numerous peasants and poor people, who were ambiguously called "Libyophenicians."

Origins of the term
The term "Libyophenicians" appears cited by Polybius and later by Livy in relation to the transfer of people between Spain and Africa as part of Hannibal's strategy in the framework of his expedition to Italy. Polybius took this term from a commemorative stele engraved in Greek and Phoenician and with it he referred to African settlers arriving in Hispania.

Some authors considered the terms "Libyophenicians" and "Blastophenicians" synonyms that referred indistinctly to people of Phoenician, Punic or Libyan origin who arrived in the Iberian Peninsula; other authors interpreted it within the framework of multiple processes of emigration and colonization.




Some lineage could have survived but with all the changes that have taken place in the Iberian Peninsula since then until today, any of their descendants who could have remained in the area today would be complete natives because after the Roman Empire, Visigothic Kingdom, Al-Andalus in which at the entrance of the Almohads half a million inhabitants of the south move to the north creating a super population there, the Reconquest: Repopulation during and after the Reconquest by people from the Christian Kingdoms and later a movement and displacement and movement of the inhabitants of the southern peninsular from some provinces to others so the population of the area would have changed suffered irreversible changes to consolidate at present for that reason one thing are the ancient populations and other modern ones.

[Pater Patota]

I remember I’ve seen an article about ancient Middle East.It says every East Med tribe originally came from Amorites.

[Gallop]

And as always, there are different hypotheses

Other opinions relate the presence of Libyophenicians in the south peninsular with the changes of settlement on the coast and the innovations in the funerary rituals observed since the end of the 6th century BC in Phoenician necropolises, such as Puente de Noy (Almuñécar) and Jardín (Veléz-Málaga), which together with the adoption of place names with the suffix "-bora" similar to those documented in North African areas dominated by Carthage, could testify to the establishment of African colonists sent by Carthage. There are, finally, positions that deny the existence of such a colonization, admitting only the presence of Libyophenicians as Carthaginian troops, undermining the credibility of the information of the written sources prior to Polybius and Titus Livy. [José Luis López Castro.]

Anyway I say that if it is by lineages, maybe some have survived, but well you look at the flags of Yfull, FTDNA and North African lineages in other European countries far exceed the number in Spain.

So any attempt by any other European to isolate the current Andalusia will be unsuccessful. Ja!

This is the map of Andalusia, region of Spain, 8 provinces. I hope it is clear to you.